PSD Question - Driveability
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Darnit, I knew my ego would stir up some coals...I'm sorry...please don't ban me from the site 
I was just venting, also I was wrong in being saracastic about the patriotism of my countrymen. Particularly full size diesel truck owners. I imagine there are few pinko commies driving PSDs and Duramaxes. Thank you gentlemen. Thanks a cop sometime too. They put it out there everyday for alot less money (I think I've said that before)...10 years fighting wars and you learn something new everyday...go figure
I was just venting, also I was wrong in being saracastic about the patriotism of my countrymen. Particularly full size diesel truck owners. I imagine there are few pinko commies driving PSDs and Duramaxes. Thank you gentlemen. Thanks a cop sometime too. They put it out there everyday for alot less money (I think I've said that before)...10 years fighting wars and you learn something new everyday...go figure
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I agree with the salesman. For whatever, reason, my PSD runs really rough. I have the 6.0 psd and mostly drive 3 miles to and from work. Weekends I pull a light boat. My truck idles rough in town and generally does not run like a new truck. My oil level is correct. I warm the truck up before I leave for work. But the RPMs go up and down at lred traffic lights and the truck bucks coming out of parking spots. Go with the V-10 and save the 5K.
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From: CA
Originally Posted by Big Lou
Gentlemen, thank you for the input and my apologies for crossing threads. I am currently in Baghdad and will remain here until next Spring so I am trying to read all that I can on the X before I throw down and buy one. I appreciate all the info I have gotten here and JD, thanks for giving a crap. It's rare in this day and age.
Big Lou...
Any chances on getting a hold of any of the bolt ons!! Sure would come in handy in the commute.. My boy was over in Iraq, and now is in S. Korea.. Can't speak for all, but my family and friends have a shoulder to the wheel with you... This will be my second PSD in about 9 months.. The early build will be going down the road, and the 05 should be here this week.. But once bitten by the 6.0, hard to go back to gas... Thanks for all your doing!!
............................HP....................
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I haven't been over to the motor pool yet to check out what these guys are running on their X's. The drivers tell me nothing but stock powerplants and transmissions. Can't account for the extra weight though. You figure the armor kit and truck alone reportedly runs over $500k. Add to that all the commo, electronic warfare, mil spec gps, swivel seating, etc. I've been told these rigs cost the man $750k. Therefore, unless one gets takes a catastrophic hit I doubt there will be an opportunity for me to get any bolt ons...but i will certainly be on the look out. I think I may do a paper on this for the site.
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Recall what Radar Orielly did on Mash ?
Mail me back a piece at a time... Just kidding, of course...
but do take some pics and email them over or post them here -
we'd be REALLY interested in what they do to our Ex's...
I thought I was making MINE unique -can't imagine what Uncle Sam would do to his !!!
Mail me back a piece at a time...
Just kidding, of course...but do take some pics and email them over or post them here -
we'd be REALLY interested in what they do to our Ex's...
I thought I was making MINE unique -can't imagine what Uncle Sam would do to his !!!
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Don't know why your sa;lesman would say daily driving on the PSD would be hard on it.
Right, the PSD is made for longer towing, but 5,000 lbs would not tax either the new V10 or the PSD for your use.
I'm a '04 PSD owner and pleased with what I have.
BUT, I'd seriously consider the new V10 for your use.
Driving a diesel is not like driving a gasser in traffic, especially if you are just commuting in "stop and go" most of the time. On the other hand, if you are towing mostly on the highway, the opposite is true. Your occasional long distance tow load is light for this truck any way you cut it.
I go the new V10 for "most days driving" rather than the diesel fpr occaisional towing of a "light load" in your situation.
Just my Humble Opinion.
_Leadhead
Right, the PSD is made for longer towing, but 5,000 lbs would not tax either the new V10 or the PSD for your use.
I'm a '04 PSD owner and pleased with what I have.
BUT, I'd seriously consider the new V10 for your use.
Driving a diesel is not like driving a gasser in traffic, especially if you are just commuting in "stop and go" most of the time. On the other hand, if you are towing mostly on the highway, the opposite is true. Your occasional long distance tow load is light for this truck any way you cut it.
I go the new V10 for "most days driving" rather than the diesel fpr occaisional towing of a "light load" in your situation.
Just my Humble Opinion.
_Leadhead
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As mentioned before I'm doing similar driving each day to what you're talking about (4 miles to work and back each day) and haven't had any problems now for a year and a half so I really don't think that it's an issue.
Next thing to think about is the total cost of ownership. Consider how long you are going to own the vehicle, what the difference in operating and maintenance costs will be, and what the resale differences are between the V10 and the Diesel, and then factor that into your decision.
Chances are that if you really don't drive the vehicle that much and don't keep it that long that the V10 may end up being the better choice dollar wise. At some point the PSD will take over and pay for itself - especially given the high cost of fuel these days.
And last, there is the fun factor. If you are in to aftermarket add ons and performance, then the PSD is the clear winner. For $400 or so you can get a tuner and realize a huge gain in performance that just can't be equaled for anything less than $3,000 or $4,000 or more on the V10. And the PSD will still get as good or better mileage with the tuner installed as it did stock, versus the pitifull mileage the V10 would get with a blower and so on.
Next thing to think about is the total cost of ownership. Consider how long you are going to own the vehicle, what the difference in operating and maintenance costs will be, and what the resale differences are between the V10 and the Diesel, and then factor that into your decision.
Chances are that if you really don't drive the vehicle that much and don't keep it that long that the V10 may end up being the better choice dollar wise. At some point the PSD will take over and pay for itself - especially given the high cost of fuel these days.
And last, there is the fun factor. If you are in to aftermarket add ons and performance, then the PSD is the clear winner. For $400 or so you can get a tuner and realize a huge gain in performance that just can't be equaled for anything less than $3,000 or $4,000 or more on the V10. And the PSD will still get as good or better mileage with the tuner installed as it did stock, versus the pitifull mileage the V10 would get with a blower and so on.
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Big Lou, Thank you and all of our service men and women for all of the sacrifices you all are giving for us and your country. THANKS I have an 03 psd sd cc swb fx4 4x4 it's my first and I love it. I pull a 27 footer and does it with little effort. When I am not pulling the trailer it is my daily driver, I had the rough idle issues etc. Had the computer updated with the latest from Ford, corrected my oil level and truck runs great, I would definatley buy another. If you ever plan on pulling anything the 6.0 PSD is the only way to go in my opinion. Post pics of the vehihicles if you can? Stay safe.
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From: NW Montana
Thank You!
Big Lou,
I can tell you that my whole family is behind you guys 100%. Please stay safe and keep up the good work!! I think I can also say that the vast majority of the Carolinas are with you as evidenced at any NASCAR race when the jets fly by or the military is mentioned. Once again, hu-rah and be careful.
Oh yeah, buy the 6.0
I can tell you that my whole family is behind you guys 100%. Please stay safe and keep up the good work!! I think I can also say that the vast majority of the Carolinas are with you as evidenced at any NASCAR race when the jets fly by or the military is mentioned. Once again, hu-rah and be careful.
Oh yeah, buy the 6.0
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"Driving a diesel is not like driving a gasser in traffic, especially if you are just commuting in "stop and go" most of the time."
Catfish,
In what ways is it different?
I am currently in the market for an F250 and while I am leaning towards the PSD, the V10 holds some attraction also. This truck will see mostly commuting in Orange County CA., so there will be some stop and go freeway traffic. The rest of it's life will be spent off roading, and towing a light boat.
I currently own an Expy, and love it, but need a truck for other purposes.
Just curious as to how diesel is different than a gasser in traffic, as I have never owned a diesel.
Thanks!
Catfish,
In what ways is it different?
I am currently in the market for an F250 and while I am leaning towards the PSD, the V10 holds some attraction also. This truck will see mostly commuting in Orange County CA., so there will be some stop and go freeway traffic. The rest of it's life will be spent off roading, and towing a light boat.
I currently own an Expy, and love it, but need a truck for other purposes.
Just curious as to how diesel is different than a gasser in traffic, as I have never owned a diesel.
Thanks!
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Gees, I don't get it. Not only do I drive mostly short hop trips but I have buddies that have 6.0's in the construction business and they go from job site to job site daily. And except for very short on site visits they are stopping and restarting their vehicles throughout the day. No issues. And we certainaly have slow traffic in the DFW area.
Yes these engines thrive on heavy loads and hard work but, with the possible exception of the EGR valve being open to much and loading up your system with junk, I can not find the issues.
That is why, however, my EGR vavle and the valves of my friend's trucks have mysteriously lost their ability to remain plugged. Less junk, less issues. No carbon problems, etc...
Yes these engines thrive on heavy loads and hard work but, with the possible exception of the EGR valve being open to much and loading up your system with junk, I can not find the issues.
That is why, however, my EGR vavle and the valves of my friend's trucks have mysteriously lost their ability to remain plugged. Less junk, less issues. No carbon problems, etc...
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Some people will try to say that the turbo lag is just unbearable and that every stoplight is a challenge to try to get the truck moving again.
Granted that the diesel isn't quite as responsive to throttle input as the V10, it isn't a slouch either. If there's ever a need to get off the line in a hurry, a little throttle while you hold the brake will get the turbo spinning and build a bit of boost and away you go. Once you're moving and the turbo is spinning the lag really isn't much of an issue.
Even without doing the brake / throttle thing, which I only do when I really want to get out in front of someone, the truck still gets right off the line with the rest of the traffic.
While I haven't driven the V10, I did have a F-150 with the 5.4 that was chipped and had the intake and exhaust done and the PSD runs rings around it in every measurable catagory - especially including fuel mileage. The only exception might have been a few feet off the line if I didn't brake stand the PSD.
Granted that the diesel isn't quite as responsive to throttle input as the V10, it isn't a slouch either. If there's ever a need to get off the line in a hurry, a little throttle while you hold the brake will get the turbo spinning and build a bit of boost and away you go. Once you're moving and the turbo is spinning the lag really isn't much of an issue.
Even without doing the brake / throttle thing, which I only do when I really want to get out in front of someone, the truck still gets right off the line with the rest of the traffic.
While I haven't driven the V10, I did have a F-150 with the 5.4 that was chipped and had the intake and exhaust done and the PSD runs rings around it in every measurable catagory - especially including fuel mileage. The only exception might have been a few feet off the line if I didn't brake stand the PSD.
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You asked me about: "Driving a diesel is not like driving a gasser in traffic, especially if you are just commuting in "stop and go" most of the time."
My answer is: You are gong to find yourself gettin' in the peddle and many times overshooting your acceleration needs with a diesel in stop and go traffic. There is isn't much to go with in a diesel and the overshoot is incredible. In stop and go, you will find your diesel is just getting up to punched acelleration needs about the time you need to put the brakes on again.
Some of us like me that drive in this type of traffic with a 6.0 diesel have disconnected the EGR as mentioned by others above. This in hope better initial acceleration and with great results for most of us.
Like I said, for your use, I go with the new V10.
My answer is: You are gong to find yourself gettin' in the peddle and many times overshooting your acceleration needs with a diesel in stop and go traffic. There is isn't much to go with in a diesel and the overshoot is incredible. In stop and go, you will find your diesel is just getting up to punched acelleration needs about the time you need to put the brakes on again.
Some of us like me that drive in this type of traffic with a 6.0 diesel have disconnected the EGR as mentioned by others above. This in hope better initial acceleration and with great results for most of us.
Like I said, for your use, I go with the new V10.