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Originally Posted by BigDawg54
around our farm all we have is green machines, all have earned the name JUNK DEERE. CASE has done a pretty good job and have really up'd the anti for deere, personally i think deere can do better with there trannys but this is my experiance with 7700, 4250, 4560, 8210's not to familiar with the smaller JUNK DEERE products but i would take a walk over to CASE and see what they offer. the only thing good about deere is there resale value, one of the many reasons farmers buy them.
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Originally Posted by Gunsmoke460
the other day we found out were selling out our place in favor of cookie cutter houses because a new middle school is being built across the street.
either way we're upgrading places once we sell and would need a bigger tractor, and i took a look at some of the new Masseys, they dont look bad and seem to have alot more power for size than alot of the competition.
too bad JD is now foreign material.....
either way we're upgrading places once we sell and would need a bigger tractor, and i took a look at some of the new Masseys, they dont look bad and seem to have alot more power for size than alot of the competition.
too bad JD is now foreign material.....
Last edited by MW95F250; Oct 5, 2004 at 02:24 PM.
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The 5000 series is not built in the US, from John Deere's own web site:
Designed and built at John Deere's Mannheim tractor factory in Germany they borrow many of their advanced technology features from the higher horsepower 6020 Series tractors. These new 5020 Series tractors incorporate Tier II compliant John Deere PowerTech™ four cylinder constant power engines with a rated power of 53 kW (72 hp), 59 kW (80 hp) and 65 kW (88 hp) for the 5620, 5720 and 5820 respectively.
http://www.farmersinfo.com.au/pages/...ohndeere03.htm
After doing an extensive search I did find that the 4 cylinder turbocharged 4000 series compacts are using a US built John Deere engine, the non turbo engines are still Japanese Yanmar engines. John Deere makes it a huge point to "conceal" the origin of it import sales. Further search reveils that a version of 5000 series is also built in India.
Designed and built at John Deere's Mannheim tractor factory in Germany they borrow many of their advanced technology features from the higher horsepower 6020 Series tractors. These new 5020 Series tractors incorporate Tier II compliant John Deere PowerTech™ four cylinder constant power engines with a rated power of 53 kW (72 hp), 59 kW (80 hp) and 65 kW (88 hp) for the 5620, 5720 and 5820 respectively.
http://www.farmersinfo.com.au/pages/...ohndeere03.htm
After doing an extensive search I did find that the 4 cylinder turbocharged 4000 series compacts are using a US built John Deere engine, the non turbo engines are still Japanese Yanmar engines. John Deere makes it a huge point to "conceal" the origin of it import sales. Further search reveils that a version of 5000 series is also built in India.
Last edited by dhermesc; Oct 5, 2004 at 04:48 PM.
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From: Kyle, Texas
since this thread is going ive been doing some research of my own and ive come to the conclusion that there isnt a real american compact tractor out there these days..... JD uses Yanmar, MFs compacts are Iseki tractors painted red with new stickers, and New Hollands compacts are powered by japanese engines and New holland is Fiat anyways.
Not that these tractors cant perform, my little kubota has shown that time and time again but id like to see an american product.
the only questionable product ive seen that i think is american is the MF model 231S..... ive seen these things around but can anyone tell me if that is just an older Massey that theyve continued selling?
it does have a Perkins diesel engine in it and doesnt at all look like an Iseki clone.... and 42 hp in a smaller size. all the iseki clones dont have perkins engines in them... they dont tell you what they are in fact on the MF website.
Not that these tractors cant perform, my little kubota has shown that time and time again but id like to see an american product.
the only questionable product ive seen that i think is american is the MF model 231S..... ive seen these things around but can anyone tell me if that is just an older Massey that theyve continued selling?
it does have a Perkins diesel engine in it and doesnt at all look like an Iseki clone.... and 42 hp in a smaller size. all the iseki clones dont have perkins engines in them... they dont tell you what they are in fact on the MF website.
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Originally Posted by dhermesc
The 5000 series is not built in the US, from John Deere's own web site:
Designed and built at John Deere's Mannheim tractor factory in Germany they borrow many of their advanced technology features from the higher horsepower 6020 Series tractors. These new 5020 Series tractors incorporate Tier II compliant John Deere PowerTech™ four cylinder constant power engines with a rated power of 53 kW (72 hp), 59 kW (80 hp) and 65 kW (88 hp) for the 5620, 5720 and 5820 respectively.
http://www.farmersinfo.com.au/pages/...ohndeere03.htm
After doing an extensive search I did find that the 4 cylinder turbocharged 4000 series compacts are using a US built John Deere engine, the non turbo engines are still Japanese Yanmar engines. John Deere makes it a huge point to "conceal" the origin of it import sales. Further search reveils that a version of 5000 series is also built in India.
Designed and built at John Deere's Mannheim tractor factory in Germany they borrow many of their advanced technology features from the higher horsepower 6020 Series tractors. These new 5020 Series tractors incorporate Tier II compliant John Deere PowerTech™ four cylinder constant power engines with a rated power of 53 kW (72 hp), 59 kW (80 hp) and 65 kW (88 hp) for the 5620, 5720 and 5820 respectively.
http://www.farmersinfo.com.au/pages/...ohndeere03.htm
After doing an extensive search I did find that the 4 cylinder turbocharged 4000 series compacts are using a US built John Deere engine, the non turbo engines are still Japanese Yanmar engines. John Deere makes it a huge point to "conceal" the origin of it import sales. Further search reveils that a version of 5000 series is also built in India.
That's funny because there is a John Deere 5000 series manufacturing plant in Gastonia, NC.
The one that are foreign built are to be sold overseas, not here.
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a long time ago i tried to research the year of the 8N , i know where the serial number is on it but its so difficult to read i couldnt get the #s, the metal stamp die that was used on it must have been pretty worn, almost looks like it was done by hand one character at a time, i tried lightly sanding it and cleaning it up, but i still couldnt read it. 50 some years of sitting out in the weather hasnt done it any good either. the bucket on the loader isnt very wide, maybe 3-4 ft. i think the whole reason the laoder is even on it was to try and balance out the weight of the backhoe on the back. you know how the std 8N rims had very narrow tires? this has had the front hubs changed out to a 5-lug hub with 15" truck tires on the front. not easy to steer when moving slow. it moves pretty fast on the road though, what with the overdrive unit and all. i really should post some digital pictures someday. Dave.
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From: Lincoln, Nebraska
Originally Posted by sglaine
I thought of that and I would love to have one. But I can't trust the dealer. Near me.
they are a little pricer but you get what you pay for. and what does it tell you that they have been around for ever and they are still there own company (havent merged liek alot of others)
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Originally Posted by Gunsmoke460
the only questionable product ive seen that i think is american is the MF model 231S..... ive seen these things around but can anyone tell me if that is just an older Massey that theyve continued selling?
it does have a Perkins diesel engine in it and doesnt at all look like an Iseki clone.... and 42 hp in a smaller size. all the iseki clones dont have perkins engines in them... they dont tell you what they are in fact on the MF website.
it does have a Perkins diesel engine in it and doesnt at all look like an Iseki clone.... and 42 hp in a smaller size. all the iseki clones dont have perkins engines in them... they dont tell you what they are in fact on the MF website.
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Gunsmoke, I feel it's one of the few tractors out there right now that a good bit of farm background knowledge can go along way. There really isn't much more to that tractor than a very basic electrical system, deisel stuff and hydraulics.
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I have no experience with them but the local McCormick dealer has been selling quite a few of these, McCormick USA HOME . I think they're made in Italy or England.
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I would stick with the New Holland. Deere parts are pricey andthey are having reliability issues on the current crop of tractors. Deere and massey also are a pita to work on yourself compared to New Holland. Whichever one you go with, most are offering two options, one is all fly by wire and one is minimal electric controls. They are all having corrosion issues on the fly by wire machines. Stick with minimal electric controls even if dealer has to order it.
