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Old Sep 26, 2004 | 06:14 PM
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Hot engine Start problem

When my 1979 351m gets warmed to operating temp it will not start again until it has cooled off-I have replaced-module,coil,solenoid,volt reg,starter,alternator,battery,cap and rotor. Anyone have any ideas what might cause this?
 
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Old Sep 26, 2004 | 06:25 PM
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does it turn over real slow or hardly at all, then the timing might be too far advanced. Retarding the timing might fix the problem.
 
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Old Sep 26, 2004 | 06:35 PM
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turns over real slow-I'll check timing
 
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Old Sep 26, 2004 | 08:50 PM
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Common problem on trucks with headers.

The starter is subject to too much heat.

Metal expands then causes electrical conducting problems inside the starter.
 
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Old Sep 26, 2004 | 09:08 PM
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Also check battery cables. Heat will build resistance in them. Get very large cables with soldered ends, and find a ground location on the engine as close to the battery as possible and use the shortest cable that will fit.

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Old Sep 26, 2004 | 09:54 PM
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And clean every surface that every cable is attached to and the cable ends and battery posts too! Corrosion will cause resistance that will be magnified with heat resulting in reduced amperage to spin the starter. Wire brush the block where the ground is attached.
 
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Old Sep 26, 2004 | 10:15 PM
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What if the motor turns over real fast, sounds good, just doesnt fire?
 
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Old Sep 26, 2004 | 10:48 PM
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Longview1, give us a scenerio. Running then dies and won't restart? No hot restart? Hasn't started in God knows when? I don't want to give you a list as long as my leg without an attempt to narrow it down first. You'd hunt me down and beat me if I listed everything that went through my head!
 
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Old Sep 26, 2004 | 11:52 PM
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Haha,
Good thinkin,
Just sometimes, not always, after been driving for a while, i shut it off, go into the store or something, come back and it whirls over good and healthy but wont fire up. Then I hold pedal to floor and she finally flashes. I think maybe Im flooding it, not sure. ITs my 78, fires up nice when cold and eberything else.
 
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Old Sep 27, 2004 | 12:36 AM
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That narrows it down considerably! Probably carb associated. Next time it happens, I'd check to see if the choke is stuck in the closed position. When you raise the hood to check the choke, pay particular attention to whether you notice a strong fuel odor. This would be related to probable flooding problems (example: float level, debris blocking needle from seat, cracks in accelerator pump). If flooding is evident, check the air filter. If it is filthy, it can contribute to flooding a hot engine. And last (whew!), it could be related to fuel delivery problems linked to fuel pump and fuel filter. Pump could have a crack in the diaphram causing leak down. Filter could have debris in it. Check the rubber fuel lines from the fuel pump to the carb for cracks and loose clamps. That can cause you to suck air. Re-post with your findings or for futher help.
 
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Old Sep 27, 2004 | 12:58 AM
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I think your right, carb associated. It does smell really gassy when it happens.
Ill check the choke next time.
Thanks hdgapeach, i appreciate it
 
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Old Sep 27, 2004 | 08:24 AM
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Haha,
Good thinkin,
Just sometimes, not always, after been driving for a while, i shut it off, go into the store or something, come back and it whirls over good and healthy but wont fire up. Then I hold pedal to floor and she finally flashes. I think maybe Im flooding it, not sure. ITs my 78, fires up nice when cold and eberything else.
Sounds like perculation, I had this problem with my 390. When turned off, the engine heat boils the gas in carb causing it to flood the engine. Then when you come out to start it, it's flooded. But if you wait an hour or so, the fuel has evaported and it starts fine. I got a $10 plastic carb spacer (between carb and intake) and it solved ALL my perculation problems - no trouble even on the hotest days...

Marty
 
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Old Sep 27, 2004 | 08:26 AM
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bigblue74,

Next time it happens, pull the coil wire and turn it over. If it spins nice & fast, timing is the problem.

If it still turns slow, follow the advice above. Especially the post about the larger battery cables.

Kevin K.
 
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Old Sep 27, 2004 | 12:41 PM
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BB74,
Thius appears to be a common characteristic of the 135M. I have a 78 351M that does this. I bought a 1000 Cranking Amp battery and it still does it. By holding the pedal down during a hot start seems to reduce the problem. By turning the timing back, you can reduce the problem but then you lose HP. Strangely enough, by adding a motor to cab ground i reduce some of the problem.
Consider it,
KingFisher
 
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