Environment license plates
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Environment license plates
What exactly do these plates stand for? My question is I have seen 2 cars on the road with environment plates throw cigarettes out the window, and our neighbor had a friend over the other day with one of these plates on his truck, which was huge, and had a diesel engine no less. Do these people think that by getting these plates, that they are paying for people to clean up their pollution?
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You are complaining about diesel engines??? Thank you, I will tell both of mine you don't like them. Environment license plates, in TN, simply mean that $26 of the license fee goes to the department you support. I have a TN Fishing plate on one truck, and I support the TN Black bear population with the other. Both trucks are large, both have diesels, and both pollute a lot less than a gasoline engine. I can burn cooking oil in my trucks.. NO pollutants at all, how's about yours??
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Well if those oil boys would fix the sulfur thing without being forced to do it (coming soon) we would have more, better and less stinky squeezefire motors and be using less dino juice.....
Back to topic--yea, I love those enviro stickers or plates on an oil aircooled VW that is pumping out what 100 new exploders would make in smog, and doing it slow, too.
Back to topic--yea, I love those enviro stickers or plates on an oil aircooled VW that is pumping out what 100 new exploders would make in smog, and doing it slow, too.
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yah thats how ours are too, just to pay more money. i dont know about other states, but we have those, and lake erie plates, sports teams plates, all sorts of different ones so you can have a cooler liscense plate than other ppl
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Originally Posted by ranger rules
and our neighbor had a friend over the other day with one of these plates on his truck, which was huge, and had a diesel engine no less.
and had a diesel engine no less
In fact, the EPA classified the 6.0L PowerStroke diesel as an ULEV (ultra low emissions vehicle), a feat neither the 5.4L gasser or 6.8L gasser have even come to accomplishing.
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Originally Posted by Frost13
what do you mean?!
Diesels happen to be ALOT better for the environment than a gas engine.
In fact, the EPA classified the 6.0L PowerStroke diesel as an ULEV (ultra low emissions vehicle), a feat neither the 5.4L gasser or 6.8L gasser have even come to accomplishing.
Diesels happen to be ALOT better for the environment than a gas engine.
In fact, the EPA classified the 6.0L PowerStroke diesel as an ULEV (ultra low emissions vehicle), a feat neither the 5.4L gasser or 6.8L gasser have even come to accomplishing.
Give me a break.
http://knowledge.fhwa.dot.gov/cops/i...b?OpenDocument
And you guys are comparing a 6.0L diesel which is a direct injection engine to the 5.4l/6.8L's which are indirect injection. Since the mixture can't be much lower than 14:1, there's going to be some waste and pollution although with today's indirect gasoline injection, it isn't very much more than a diesel in CO2 and NOx emissions. Mitsubishi just came out with a 1.8L Gasoline Direct Injection motor. That thing can do 40:1 gas mixture. Hopefully, in a few years, the Ford gas jobs will have GDI and then no diesel will be able to come close in emissions.
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The Union of Concerned Scientists has maybe a little bias.....
Regardless of that, in their present state, it's clear that cat equipped gas motors are cleaner than oilburners.
Several things have to happen for diesel to regain acceptance. First, we have to erase the memories of MB 240D's trying to climb anything other than a downhill, all GM gas motor conversions, and all mechanical fuel injected overloaded big rigs going up hills.....
Then, like I said, they have to fool with the refining of diesel to reduce sulfur and other things that cause particulate emissions. Once you get the particulates out of the way, you can develope a cat that works. The next problem is Nox, not sure how to fix that.
Anyway, there are some clean, fast and quiet oilburners out there and more certain to come.
I'd certainly like an Exploder size rig that will pull 30mpg on the highway....
Regardless of that, in their present state, it's clear that cat equipped gas motors are cleaner than oilburners.
Several things have to happen for diesel to regain acceptance. First, we have to erase the memories of MB 240D's trying to climb anything other than a downhill, all GM gas motor conversions, and all mechanical fuel injected overloaded big rigs going up hills.....
Then, like I said, they have to fool with the refining of diesel to reduce sulfur and other things that cause particulate emissions. Once you get the particulates out of the way, you can develope a cat that works. The next problem is Nox, not sure how to fix that.
Anyway, there are some clean, fast and quiet oilburners out there and more certain to come.
I'd certainly like an Exploder size rig that will pull 30mpg on the highway....
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Originally Posted by 85e150six4mtod
Several things have to happen for diesel to regain acceptance. First, we have to erase the memories of MB 240D's trying to climb anything other than a downhill, all GM gas motor conversions
About the MB and GM converted motors, that's all past technology. IT WAS 20 YEARS AGO, GET OVER IT! I mean, 20 years ago, the biggest V8's didn't put out as much power as a six cylinder today.
About the earlier info, sorry about that. I guess somebody was feeding me some false info. I guess I need to start checking my facts. The gasser may have made it, but the diesel did, too. In some ways a gasser is better for the environment, and in some ways diesels are better for the environment.
But diesels aren't the same as they used to be. Some facts on the 6.0L PSD. Classified as an ULEV, can run 16's in the 1/4 stock, and 13's with a $400 tuner that actually gains you mileage.
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Originally Posted by n578md
That's OK, as you can see in the posts above, diesel owners also have a little bias. 
Because whatever you buy, you buy it cause you like it, and whatever you like you usually have a bias toward it.
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Well, I was thinking about cars and lighter trucks and SUV's, not the 3/4 & 1 ton units that are already oil burners.
As to where I have been, I have been behind some real smokers and I have been disappointed that better technology hasn't been applied to something like an exploder size vehicle.
I don't own an oilburner as I don't need a 3/4 or bigger.
I bought an exploder and I have a bias against it's fuel slurping performance, but then I just like to be argumentative.
As to where I have been, I have been behind some real smokers and I have been disappointed that better technology hasn't been applied to something like an exploder size vehicle.
I don't own an oilburner as I don't need a 3/4 or bigger.
I bought an exploder and I have a bias against it's fuel slurping performance, but then I just like to be argumentative.
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Originally Posted by Frost13
Why shouldn't we? I know most gasser owners (well 3/4 and 1 ton owners anyways) sure as heck have a bias toward gas.
Because whatever you buy, you buy it cause you like it, and whatever you like you usually have a bias toward it.
Because whatever you buy, you buy it cause you like it, and whatever you like you usually have a bias toward it.
Well, I'm glad you're here to tell us these things.
And I don't get the "I burn cooking oil so I don't pollute" bit either. What is cooking oil? Cooking oil is a lipid. What's a lipid? Fatty acids and glycerol. And what is a fatty acid? A bunch of hydrocarbon chains. You're still burning hydrocarbons, then you're still polluting.
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Ok, I am sorry that I aroused some of you with the diesel engines.I have nothing against them, and in fact used to want one. I was just making an observation, because I thought diesel engines made more pollution. Guess i was wrong. Sorry about all this 