Water Pump Replacement Help
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Water Pump Replacement Help
I love this site. Who ever created it and maintains it, thank you.
I appreciate all the help and I will put to rest a few of the simple questions.
I have been using the Haynes manual and to be quite frank, it sucks. That's why I asked for your help.
As for taking it to a mechanic, I haven't given up yet. Since it's my Bronco, I simply took a dremel and shaved the 1/4 inch of the shroud that wouldn't pass the fan blades.
I did call 2 Ford dealerships and they both told me the same thing. The shroud does not come out unless you move the fan completely which is hard to do without removing the shroud so a littel ingenuity goes a long way. I will continue to work on it tonight and tomorrow and hopefully it will be done because a $30 pump should have to cost me $400 bucks at the mechanics.
What happened to the days when engineers created machines that ran well and were easy to fix. I will post my results tomorrow and thank you.
I appreciate all the help and I will put to rest a few of the simple questions.
I have been using the Haynes manual and to be quite frank, it sucks. That's why I asked for your help.
As for taking it to a mechanic, I haven't given up yet. Since it's my Bronco, I simply took a dremel and shaved the 1/4 inch of the shroud that wouldn't pass the fan blades.
I did call 2 Ford dealerships and they both told me the same thing. The shroud does not come out unless you move the fan completely which is hard to do without removing the shroud so a littel ingenuity goes a long way. I will continue to work on it tonight and tomorrow and hopefully it will be done because a $30 pump should have to cost me $400 bucks at the mechanics.
What happened to the days when engineers created machines that ran well and were easy to fix. I will post my results tomorrow and thank you.
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More water pump help desperately needed please
Well once the shroud went out, everything else seemed to go like clock work for once. I was even able to take the air conditioning bracket off that sits on top of one part of the water pump but just at the moment I thought I had victory, my worst nightmare came true. I broke the very last bolt on the water pump.
Any suggestions on what to do now, anyone, please?
Thank you
Any suggestions on what to do now, anyone, please?
Thank you
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Use an EZ-out. That's the only thing that comes to mind. Or more drastic, you could drill out the broken bolt and re-tap the hole for a larger size bolt. That could open a can of worms that you REALLY don't want so I'm sticking with EZ-Out. Parts stores should have one in the needed size. But definitely be careful. I saw my neighbor use one on his intake manifold awhile back and he wound up cracking the whole thing. $700.00 later he had it fixed. Good luck.
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From: Roland, Ar
[QUOTE=MinnManBroncoFan]Like anything the more you do it the faster you get at it.
Good statement! I replaced 2 CV shafts on the wifes '89 S10 Blazer yesterday and it took me 2.5hrs to do the pass side and 55min to do the drivers side!
Good statement! I replaced 2 CV shafts on the wifes '89 S10 Blazer yesterday and it took me 2.5hrs to do the pass side and 55min to do the drivers side!
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When I went to Auto Zone they told me to drill it out and sold me a $9 tap kit. What is an EZ Out exactly and where can I get one?
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An EZ Out is like an elongated drill bit except the "turns" go the opposite direction. When you "drill" it into the bolt, the force of it trying to go in usually backs the bolt out because it is turning the way the bolt wants to go. By elongated I mean the turns are spaced further apart than what a regular drill bit would be. It's not necessarily longer than a regular drill bit. And it is conical in shape as opposed to straight like a regular bit. Thats what causes the pressure for it to "grip" the metal and unthread whatever is stuck.
http://www.newmantools.com/drillout/
http://www.newmantools.com/drillout/
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I would be very careful with the ez out. They break often especially if you don't know what you're doing. Trying to drill out an ez out in that cramped space will not be very ez. I just got my 88 Bronco put together after sitting for six months due to a broken water pump bolt. It isn't that it was very "hard" to do, it just frustrated the hell out of me and I discouraged myself from doing it. I had it down to the timing cover (which had to be replaced because I cracked it trying to pry the water pump off) with one of the long bolts on the driver side broken and holding up progress. I finally unbolted the timing cover and was able to grab the bolt with a pair of vice grips. The job took me an hour and a half after that. What ever route you take, good luck.
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I guess the "EZ Out" is just a glorified name for a bolt extractor.... 
In any case, I used them quite a few times, and usually for every 10 bolt extracted, I broke one or two
so be ery careful with them -- if you try to bend them they will break very easily, and removing a broken bolt extractor isn't going to be EZ or cheap.....
In any case, I used them quite a few times, and usually for every 10 bolt extracted, I broke one or two
so be ery careful with them -- if you try to bend them they will break very easily, and removing a broken bolt extractor isn't going to be EZ or cheap.....
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one thing I'd like to add: don't "drill" the bolt out using the extractor. if you can get a hammer in there, tap the ez-out into the bolt, then turn using pliers. it's slower, but works better. plus, you won't drop your drill 
BTW, I have replaced plenty of water pumps, and on any engine which is mounted longitudinally and has the fan mounted to the water pump... it shouldn't take too long. it's really a simple procedure, and after the necessary prep (removing water, etc.) it shouldn't take more than the 15 minutes dutch claimed. Of course roadblocks like broken bolts will add time to the clock, but if you are careful you should be able to keep that from happening. If you do break one, replace it with a Grade 8 bolt and it won't break again.
BTW, I have replaced plenty of water pumps, and on any engine which is mounted longitudinally and has the fan mounted to the water pump... it shouldn't take too long. it's really a simple procedure, and after the necessary prep (removing water, etc.) it shouldn't take more than the 15 minutes dutch claimed. Of course roadblocks like broken bolts will add time to the clock, but if you are careful you should be able to keep that from happening. If you do break one, replace it with a Grade 8 bolt and it won't break again.
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I just went through this process with the broken water pump bolts. I scrapped the timing cover and got a new one. The two bolts that go into the block that broke on mine were the far most exterior. The other three going into the timing cover also broke. When I got the rest of the timing cover off, I discovered that the bolts had not siezed in the block, only the timing cover because of the dis-simmilar metals. I used a tool I got from sears used for rounded bolts and backed them out. I am still waiting for the timing cover to re-assemble.
PS. there are a lot of threads on broken bolts and a lot of ideas. It seams most people have had the largest amount of trouble with breaking the ez-out in the bolt. I would buy a quality ez-out if you are going to use it.
PS. there are a lot of threads on broken bolts and a lot of ideas. It seams most people have had the largest amount of trouble with breaking the ez-out in the bolt. I would buy a quality ez-out if you are going to use it.
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I just went to my FORD dealer to replace one water pump bolt, the one that alligns the alternator bracket. They wanted $29.00 for the one bolt!!!!! I just told him to stop there and not give me the other prices. any ideas?
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I know exactly what you mean, I went to ford and they wanted to charge 19.95 for the one that I broke. What I did was go to my friend's mechanic shop and ask if he had anything laying around. I was lucky enough to find 2 of the three I needed there. For the third one, I went by the scrap yard and found an engine laying on the ground that had the bolts I needed. I was lucky. Try going to the scrap yard, that might be your best bet.