Rolling back with Manual
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From: Arlington, TX
It depends on the situation, in most states you can be cited for "in-attentive backing" or the other party could be cited for "following to closely". Usually this type of incident would be considered a minor accident do to the low amount of damge and more than likely your insurance agencies would duke it out.
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> My question is who would be in the wrong if you bumped
Usually the person that pulled too close, depending on the state. Some have laws that state you have to be able to see the ground under a vehicle's rear bumper which means 10-12 feet back. Otherwise you are tailgating or following too closely, which is a traffic offense. In some southern states, that can mean a ticket or tailgating on the highway too.
I was reading the MV laws in GA and basically making a U-turn at any intersection of two streets is one whopping ticket except where allowed at a set of lights with a turn lane.
Usually the person that pulled too close, depending on the state. Some have laws that state you have to be able to see the ground under a vehicle's rear bumper which means 10-12 feet back. Otherwise you are tailgating or following too closely, which is a traffic offense. In some southern states, that can mean a ticket or tailgating on the highway too.
I was reading the MV laws in GA and basically making a U-turn at any intersection of two streets is one whopping ticket except where allowed at a set of lights with a turn lane.
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Try going up big hills with a torqueless wonder such as the escort I own. You get pretty good at workin the clutch and lettin go of the brake. Usually I only roll a couple of inches, and I dont use the e-brake. I just start letting the clutch out, and then hop off the brake, and give her some gas. No wheel spin either.
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I've found that if you ease up on the brakes just a bit, you can gently creep back until your bumper rests against the car behind you. Then, when the light changes, you can let the other car hold you while you do all the clutch/gas thingies, and can take off real smooth-like.
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The Correct Way: truck in neutral, foot on service brakes, step on parking brake to set it, push in clutch, and put truck in gear. Put your foot on the throttle and when the light changes, let out on the clutch until it will hold the truck from rolling back, release the parking brake and pull away from the intersection.
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That was part of the drivers test I took for my first license. You had to stop at a stop sign at the top of a steep hill, then make a right turn without rolling backwards. I stopped at the sign, gave my hand signal (some of you older guys will remember that), let out the clutch, gave it some gas..... and the axle broke!. There I was going backwards down the hill wondering why the car was going in the wrong direction, while the cop was yelling for me to stop. Needless to say, I didn't pass that test. The real problem was we had "borrowed" the car from my friend's Dad's lot without telling him and we had to call and tell him.
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Originally Posted by Mike W
A little push button on the dash that turns on your backup lamps could be interesting. 
I mostly used my switch when someone was tailgating me. They would usually back off REAL FAST!
That car also had a smokescreen function, when I let it engine-brake down a big hill (especially at high altitudes) then pushed the gas pedal at the bottom, it would often spew out tons of smoke.
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From: philly pa
i dont get all this parking brake and holding the clutch stuff. maybe for pulling a boat out or something. all i do is take off like normal...only faster. i have my foot on the brake, clutch pushed in...i let off the brake and take off like normal. if you do it fast enough then you wont roll back. i could maybe see using the parking brake when you're learning, but it would be anoying to use it on every big hill.
my buddy just learned stick on his grandpop's car. he was taught to hold the parking brake (hand brake behind the shifter) and use that to take off. well he got in my truck and didn't know how to take off on a hill because of the foot parking brake.
for fun: when my brother is following my i like to roll back and smash into his truck. i actually put it in reverse one time and started puching him back. he put it in drive and we were just spinning tires. we dont do any damage though. thats what i love about trucks.
my buddy just learned stick on his grandpop's car. he was taught to hold the parking brake (hand brake behind the shifter) and use that to take off. well he got in my truck and didn't know how to take off on a hill because of the foot parking brake.
for fun: when my brother is following my i like to roll back and smash into his truck. i actually put it in reverse one time and started puching him back. he put it in drive and we were just spinning tires. we dont do any damage though. thats what i love about trucks.
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From: Norman,OK
Originally Posted by Mike W
A little push button on the dash that turns on your backup lamps could be interesting.
) I am going to do that.
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From: North Carolina
you people must not be familiar with low end grunt. In my truck even on a steep hill I just relase the cltuch while the brake is on a little and I works perfect dont roll back at all. dont need gas when letting the cltuch out.
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From: central ohio
i was in line at a mc donalds once and a car rolled backwards into me, i got a dirty look from the driver and it wasnt even my fault. what i try to do with hills with stoplights, if i see it change in time , i will slow way down, just creep my way to the intersection in 1st with enough engine rpm to keep moving without stalling, then when the light turns green i can speed up. if i do happen to get stopped on a hill, i use the parking brake to hold the truck and when i feel the clutch start to engage i release the p/b. with my old truck i would just use my "creeper 1st" to get going. on boat ramps i use my low range 4wd, gear reduction and both axles pulling for me.
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From: Topsfield, MA
Originally Posted by FORD352V8
you people must not be familiar with low end grunt. In my truck even on a steep hill I just relase the cltuch while the brake is on a little and I works perfect dont roll back at all. dont need gas when letting the cltuch out.
My truck doesn't have granny gear as 1st...even on flat ground it would take a little finesse to take off w/o the gas.
Even w/ my setup like that, I can take off on steep hills w/o rolling back. What I do is hold clutch in all the way, in 1st gear w/ brake on waiting for the light or whatever to turn. When it's time to go, I will keep my foot on the brake but let the clutch about 1/2 way out until it starts to grab, at that point when i get off the brake the clutch will hold the truck and I can put my foot on the gas and procede normally. The clutch is only slightly used more than a normal take off, I don't burn the clutch very much.
Another way to do it is put the e-brake on...1 foot on clutch, 1 on gas. Let the clutch out 1/2 way like above...pull the e-brake and procede as normal.
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From: The hills of No. Calif.
Heel-and-Toe is not a difficult procedure to learn, and is one that is taught at many high-performance driving schools. Generally, you hold the brake down with your heel, and simply swivel your foot over to the gas so that you can press it with your toe, you can rock your foot a bit to give it more gas, and pull up your leg to release the brake. Feels a little awkward at first, but you get used to it. It's a technique that is often used in fast driving when you want to use the brakes to set the car into a turn, but you need to downshift at the same time and need your left foot for the clutch and need to keep the revs up at the same time. Doesn't require you to be a contortionist or grow a third leg (yeah, I know what you're thinking, keep it clean guys!) Some vehicles are a bit harder to do it in due to the placement of the pedals. If you drive in hilly cities, it's good to learn as it's easy on the clutch, and you don't have to bother with the e-brake. -TD
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From: KCMO
Originally Posted by rebocardo
> My question is who would be in the wrong if you bumped
Usually the person that pulled too close, depending on the state. Some have laws that state you have to be able to see the ground under a vehicle's rear bumper which means 10-12 feet back...
Usually the person that pulled too close, depending on the state. Some have laws that state you have to be able to see the ground under a vehicle's rear bumper which means 10-12 feet back...
Nevermind.
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