Rolling back with Manual
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From: La Tech University, La
I avg 150k per clutch with the exception of the one with the bad install. I do them myself now. I have never had a problem with a flywheel, or a press plate. but notice I am not slipping the clutch and I dont sit there forever and do this. I do this when I see the other lanes light go yellow, while waiting I sit there with the truck in neut and my foot on the brake, or the parking brake set...
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From: Marengo, Iowa
quoted from Jimmy Dean:when you get this down you can stay parked in the same spot using only the clutch and no brake for 10-15 minutes at least...until that leg starts to quiver.
that's just a bit different than you had stated, as it doesn't take that long for a light to change. i can accept it as you just said. I am known to do that at times as well, as it isn't that long, so it won't heat up that much. I don't use the parking brake though, unless I had a car with it in the center.
that's just a bit different than you had stated, as it doesn't take that long for a light to change. i can accept it as you just said. I am known to do that at times as well, as it isn't that long, so it won't heat up that much. I don't use the parking brake though, unless I had a car with it in the center.
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From: The hills of No. Calif.
When you are slipping your clutch like that, using it to hold you on a hill, you are using the friction of the clutch to hold you in place. Friction creates heat. As fellro86 said, that heat will discolor the flywheel and pressure plate and cause heat checking. You are also wearing the friction material off of the clutch disc at a rate that far exceeds that of normal wear. If you do it once in a great while, for only a very short time, the results won't show up as fast as if you do it all the time. A few minutes of slipping the clutch like that is equivalent to thousands of miles of normal wear. Go ahead, it's your clutch. I'll save mine for the hard launches when I need them. -TD
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I learned to drive in a manual VW Rabbit. It had the park brake handle behind the gear shifter so I used that the hold the car until I felt the clutch engaging. Works like a charm and no roll-back. After 20 years of manuals I rarely have to use the park brake, only on extremely steep hills with absent minded auto drivers who pull up inches behind me.
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From: Portsmouth, VA
You have a break peddle and an emergency break for a reason, use them, that is why they are there.
I was always taught to never dart out into an intersection as soon as the light turns green, you never know what idiot is going to run that light that just turned red. It only takes a second to put your truck into gear and get it moving, if it takes you longer then that and your not just learning a manual then it's time to trade it in for an automatic. That second that it takes you to put your truck into gear gives you plenty enough time to let any idiot in a rush run their red light.
If that guy behind you in his POS import automatic wanna be race car honks, just give me a lil roll back
- Chris
I was always taught to never dart out into an intersection as soon as the light turns green, you never know what idiot is going to run that light that just turned red. It only takes a second to put your truck into gear and get it moving, if it takes you longer then that and your not just learning a manual then it's time to trade it in for an automatic. That second that it takes you to put your truck into gear gives you plenty enough time to let any idiot in a rush run their red light.
If that guy behind you in his POS import automatic wanna be race car honks, just give me a lil roll back
- Chris
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From: La Tech University, La
and I understand exactly what you are saying, but again, while I use it when stopped on a hill, or pulling out a boat, I dont have to do that very often....seeing as how I live in the south...where are we are severely lacking in hills...and I am not towing boats very often, or at least not as of right now. so then if I where to do this at EVERY uphill intersection I come to, the person in san fransisco would stil lbe toasting their cluth 100 times more than me on any given day. I can honestly think of only one place in the town I am currently residing in at which I would do this...and..I dont go there, cause I have absoltely no need to, as it is neer the old high school, in the next town over.
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I do what Jimmy Dean says, except in less than a second. The light turns green, let out on clutch until it catches, right foot off brake and on gas. Don't roll back at all, and takes a lot less flexibility than the heel-toe thing. It doesn't cause excessive wear on the clutch because with both methods you let out on the clutch until it catches, all that matters is how long you hold the clutch that way. Both methods work, it all depends on how you were taught. I got in an arguement once with an ex-girlfriend's mom. She said I didn't drive my truck right because I didn't do the heel-toe thing, and I was going to roll back into someone. I told her I never roll back and I would like to see her hold my F-250 with manual brakes on an incline with just her toe. 
I always thought that if you roll back, your not driving it right, at least that is what my dad always said.
Jeremy
I always thought that if you roll back, your not driving it right, at least that is what my dad always said.
Jeremy
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Originally Posted by jeremyd72
I always thought that if you roll back, your not driving it right, at least that is what my dad always said.
Jeremy
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i had rolled back and rested my truck on their bumper for a few seconds while I shifted into 2nd and moved on. If they want to pull that close, they are going to get a little bump. i would not roll back far, but if someone gets really close, I will take my time getting off the brake and onto the gas and if I hit them I hit them.
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Originally Posted by jeremyd72
I do what Jimmy Dean says, except in less than a second. The light turns green, let out on clutch until it catches, right foot off brake and on gas. Don't roll back at all, and takes a lot less flexibility than the heel-toe thing. It doesn't cause excessive wear on the clutch because with both methods you let out on the clutch until it catches, all that matters is how long you hold the clutch that way. Both methods work, it all depends on how you were taught. I got in an arguement once with an ex-girlfriend's mom. She said I didn't drive my truck right because I didn't do the heel-toe thing, and I was going to roll back into someone. I told her I never roll back and I would like to see her hold my F-250 with manual brakes on an incline with just her toe.
I always thought that if you roll back, your not driving it right, at least that is what my dad always said.
Jeremy
I always thought that if you roll back, your not driving it right, at least that is what my dad always said.
Jeremy
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From: Iowa
Originally Posted by Mike W
A little push button on the dash that turns on your backup lamps could be interesting. 
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From: La Tech University, La
I plan on installing some 'backup' lights on the rear umper of my 91, same strength as the ones on a roll bar. and perhaps...jsut tilt them up a little and wire them into a switch under the dash for when people are folloing to close or something.