Notices
Ford vs The Competition Technical discussion and comparison ONLY. Trolls will not be tolerated.

ford cummings?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Aug 11, 2004 | 01:00 AM
  #16  
FordLariat's Avatar
FordLariat
Posting Guru
20 Year Member
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 1,397
Likes: 1
From: pound
Originally Posted by Ev2Demon
Well, Consumer Reports is wrong. Dodge is nothing more than a division of Chrysler. Chrysler owns a minority share of Mitsubishi (far less than 70%), but Dodge doesn't own anything.

That would be like saying Mercury owns a portion of Mazda.
Well, you're wrong, Chrysler is nothing more than a division of Daimler Chrysler. Chrysler doesn't own anything.
 
Reply
Old Aug 11, 2004 | 02:52 AM
  #17  
Monsta's Avatar
Monsta
Sit. Stay.
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 18,308
Likes: 20
From: Washington State
Club FTE Silver Member

I own a cat and a toothbrush.
 
Reply
Old Aug 11, 2004 | 05:10 PM
  #18  
Ev2Demon's Avatar
Ev2Demon
Senior User
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 293
Likes: 0
From: IN
Originally Posted by FordLariat
Well, you're wrong, Chrysler is nothing more than a division of Daimler Chrysler. Chrysler doesn't own anything.
Oh great plethora of automotive knowledge, given that the name of the parent company is DiamlerChrysler, that Chrysler owned it's share of Mitsubishi prior to the merger, and that Chrysler is still considered the parent company of the American divisions (Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep), yes, you can safely say that Chrysler owns a share of Mitsubishi.
 
Reply
Old Aug 11, 2004 | 08:11 PM
  #19  
FordLariat's Avatar
FordLariat
Posting Guru
20 Year Member
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 1,397
Likes: 1
From: pound
You could say that, but you'd be wrong. By your very own smarty standards, you could also safely say that Dodge owns a part of Mitsubishi. I don't still consider Chrysler the parent company, I don't care which continent, they're a foreign automaker now, and Chrysler doesn't own anything.
 
Reply
Old Aug 11, 2004 | 08:23 PM
  #20  
IB Tim's Avatar
IB Tim
FTE Leadership Emeritus
20 Year Member
Veteran: Air Force
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 161,999
Likes: 75
From: 3rd Rock
Club FTE Gold Member
OK lets be cool
 
Reply
Old Aug 11, 2004 | 08:49 PM
  #21  
MW95F250's Avatar
MW95F250
Posting Guru
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 2,498
Likes: 1
From: Raleigh, NC
Originally Posted by FordLariat
You could say that, but you'd be wrong. By your very own smarty standards, you could also safely say that Dodge owns a part of Mitsubishi. I don't still consider Chrysler the parent company, I don't care which continent, they're a foreign automaker now, and Chrysler doesn't own anything.
Don't make assumptions, you know what happens when you assume don't you?
 
Reply
Old Aug 11, 2004 | 08:52 PM
  #22  
Matts72's Avatar
Matts72
Post Fiend
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 10,323
Likes: 2
From: Montana Territory
Hows about you all grow and be respectful...like, before you post again....
 
Reply
Old Aug 11, 2004 | 09:03 PM
  #23  
MW95F250's Avatar
MW95F250
Posting Guru
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 2,498
Likes: 1
From: Raleigh, NC
The situation with Chrysler & Mitsubishi is this. Chrysler Corp. owned what ever part of Mitsubishi it owned before Diamler bought them. When Diamler bought them, then Chrysler retained their stock in Mitsubishi. The best way I can explain it is like a marriage, for lack of a better example. You own your truck, your wife has her car/truck whatever it is. You get married, the truck is still yours, the car is still hers. You don't swap, take, move, or do anything to the other's property unless it is agreed upon by both sides. Diamler would not force Chrysler to sell its stock in Mitsubishi, because it did not own it to begin with. Mitsubishi is one of the fastest growing car brands anyway, why would they want to kill it off?? They are stepping up to the plate though with their warranty and service programs, it's hard to beat 100,000 miles of protection on a gasoline engine. Somebody would be bound to "test" that warranty right at 99,999.9 miles.

Now as far as the foreign influence on Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep??? Yes, they have been influenced by the German part in design, but I do not think they have gone awash or astray from their original intentions, goals or ambitions. If anything, the foreign influence is helping them. The quality is up (got to admit it, we'd all be lying if we didn't), sales are up, and service is improving. In fact, I think they love what the foreign part has done for them. It's making them money, making better vehicles, and keeping the name alive.
 

Last edited by MW95F250; Aug 11, 2004 at 09:07 PM.
Reply
FTE Stories

Ford Trucks for Ford Truck Enthusiasts

story-0

This Hennessey Takes the Expedition Tremor's Off-Roading Capability to the Next Level

 Verdad Gallardo
story-1

Top 10 Fords at 2026 Carlisle Ford Nationals

 Joe Kucinski
story-2

3 Best / 3 Worst Parts of Modern Ford Ownership

 Brett Foote
story-3

10 Amazing Upgrades That Solve Common Ford Truck Owner Headaches

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-4

Every 2026 Ford Engine Explained

 Brett Foote
story-5

10 Ugly Ford Trucks That We Still Kinda Love

 Joe Kucinski
story-6

10 Things Every Truck Owner NEEDS (2026 Edition)

 Michael S. Palmer
story-7

Rezvani's Latest Post-Apocalyptic Monster Is a Ford F-150 Raptor Underneath

 Verdad Gallardo
story-8

Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer

 Joe Kucinski
story-9

2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)

 Brett Foote
Old Aug 11, 2004 | 09:16 PM
  #24  
BVister's Avatar
BVister
Senior User
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 118
Likes: 0
MW95 is right. I was off with my 25% in my first post, but it is Chrysler that owns Mitsu, that did not change with the merger. Dodge is only affiliated with Mitsu because they are somewhat of a partial sister company under the parent company of Chrysler. Yes, DiamlerChrysler is the parent company over everything, but that doesn't mean the old Chrysler and it's holdings just up and vanished.
 
Reply
Old Aug 11, 2004 | 11:35 PM
  #25  
Logical Heritic's Avatar
Logical Heritic
Posting Guru
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 1,291
Likes: 0
Daimler was seeking to become a global company when it acquired chrysler. After it aqcuired chrysler, 98 I think. Daimler invested more money to get controlling interest in mitsubishi. 33.4% is controlling interest in japan. http://money.cnn.com/2000/03/27/worldbiz/daimler/ This is the internet. With this resource at our fingertips everyone pops off with their opinion but nobody takes the time to look.
The shareholders are looking for the ceos head for getting them into bed with these two LOOSERS. Mitsubishi is a money pit. They paid 450 yen a share in double aught. Those shares are worth about 217 yen today. Good investment?
 

Last edited by Logical Heritic; Aug 11, 2004 at 11:43 PM.
Reply
Old Aug 22, 2004 | 12:00 PM
  #26  
WOLFD's Avatar
WOLFD
Senior User
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 108
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by Ev2Demon
Well, Consumer Reports is wrong. Dodge is nothing more than a division of Chrysler. Chrysler owns a minority share of Mitsubishi (far less than 70%), but Dodge doesn't own anything.

That would be like saying Mercury owns a portion of Mazda.
And Chrysler is owned by Mercedes (Daimler/Benz).
 
Reply
Old Aug 23, 2004 | 12:32 AM
  #27  
BVister's Avatar
BVister
Senior User
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 118
Likes: 0
And Chrysler is owned by Mercedes (Daimler/Benz).

No, they aren't. The Daimler/Chrysler deal was a merger of equals. The two companies merged to become the DaimlerChrysler Corp. Chrysler is no more owned by Mercedes than Mercedes is owned by Chrysler. They simply joined forces to become one company.
 
Reply
Old Aug 23, 2004 | 12:45 AM
  #28  
WOLFD's Avatar
WOLFD
Senior User
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 108
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by BVister
And Chrysler is owned by Mercedes (Daimler/Benz).

No, they aren't. The Daimler/Chrysler deal was a merger of equals. The two companies merged to become the DaimlerChrysler Corp. Chrysler is no more owned by Mercedes than Mercedes is owned by Chrysler. They simply joined forces to become one company.
Is that why the CEO is a German??
 
Reply
Old Aug 23, 2004 | 12:53 AM
  #29  
WOLFD's Avatar
WOLFD
Senior User
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 108
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by WOLFD
Is that why the CEO is a German??
Is that why 9 out of 11 Board members are German?
 
Reply
Old Aug 23, 2004 | 01:01 AM
  #30  
psdpower's Avatar
psdpower
Elder User
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 637
Likes: 0
From: Forest Hill, MD
I don't care how you look at it the Diamler/Chrysler thing was not a merger it was a hostile take over.
 
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:02 AM.

story-0
This Hennessey Takes the Expedition Tremor's Off-Roading Capability to the Next Level

Slideshow: The VelociRaptor Expedition gains a lift, upgraded suspension, Brembo brakes, and trail-ready equipment while retaining the stock 440-horsepower EcoBoost V6.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-06-12 11:01:55


VIEW MORE
story-1
Top 10 Fords at 2026 Carlisle Ford Nationals

Slideshow: Top 10 Fords at 2026 Ford Nationals

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-09 11:10:08


VIEW MORE
story-2
3 Best / 3 Worst Parts of Modern Ford Ownership

Based on years of owning multiple modern Ford products.

By Brett Foote | 2026-06-09 10:53:36


VIEW MORE
story-3
10 Amazing Upgrades That Solve Common Ford Truck Owner Headaches

SPONSORED: From muddy boots to rain-soaked cargo, these upgrades address some of the most common frustrations Ford truck owners face every day.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-06-08 18:50:34


VIEW MORE
story-4
Every 2026 Ford Engine Explained

Here's everything you need to know about every Ford engine available for the 2026 model year.

By Brett Foote | 2026-06-05 12:58:01


VIEW MORE
story-5
10 Ugly Ford Trucks That We Still Kinda Love

Slideshow: 10 ugly Ford trucks that we still kinda love.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-03 09:51:16


VIEW MORE
story-6
10 Things Every Truck Owner NEEDS (2026 Edition)

Slideshow: the best gifts for dads & grads

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-06-03 15:43:58


VIEW MORE
story-7
Rezvani's Latest Post-Apocalyptic Monster Is a Ford F-150 Raptor Underneath

Slideshow: Called the Fortress, the 850-horsepower pickup combines Raptor underpinnings with military-inspired features, survival equipment, and a starting price of $285,000.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-06-03 11:38:36


VIEW MORE
story-8
Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer

Slideshow: 10 most expensive Ford trucks ever sold on Bring a Trailer.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 16:24:34


VIEW MORE
story-9
2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)

Here's everything that has changed for the latest model year.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-27 16:17:28


VIEW MORE