Hemi hype
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From: IN
Originally Posted by johnsdiesel
It doesn't really make sense to buy what is basically an underrated 3/4 ton truck when you should just buy a 3/4 ton truck to begin with.
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Originally Posted by Ev2Demon
Also, acording to all the dyno graphs I've seen the Hemi makes at least 325 lb/ft of torque from idle up to it's peak of 375 at 4400. That is only a 50 lb/ft difference from idle to peak. I'd hardly call that no power on the low end.
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Originally Posted by Ev2Demon
So how is it any different than the 7lug F-150 HD with the 9900 lb tow rating that everyone here brags about all the time? If the Denali is an under rated 3/4 ton, so is the F-150 HD.
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From: Hendersonville, NC
Originally Posted by Choctaw Bob
The hemis can't out run my Powerstroke either! I guess the word has gone around cause they don't even try anymore.
Not to mention cheaper than the 1500 Ram SRT, even COUNTING the mods.And all of the Ford Diesel nay-sayers - dont even try to use the extra weight as a reason the SRT or the Hemi will outrun it; a stroker with the same given HP level will DOUBLE the torque.
No spark plugs? No problem.
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The F-150s maximum payload is 3,000 for the Ford that tows 9,900 pounds, so the F-150 beats the Denali by 800 pounds. The Denali only beats the Denali by 100 pounds in towing. So, the Chevrolet can tow 100 pounds more than the Ford, maybe one toolbox on a trailer, but the Ford can haul 800 pounds, a whole piece of equipment more than the Denali. All in all, I'd say that the Ford has the edge.
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The Denali only beats the Denali by 100 pounds in towing.
So, the Chevrolet can tow 100 pounds
<Again, I think everything you say goes without saying that you have no clue what you are talking about.>
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Well, according to Ev2Demon, the GMC Denali can tow 10,000 pounds. Well, the Ford can tow 9,900. That's 100 pounds. I am beginning to think that you don't even read my posts. The GMC Denali tows 10,000 pounds and has a payload of 2,200 pounds. The Ford F-150 tows 9,900 pounds and hauls 3,000. To me, that means the Denali can tow 100 pounds more, and the Ford can haul 800 pounds more. Now tell me how I am wrong.
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Originally Posted by tkondro
Again, I think everything you say goes without saying that you have no clue what you are talking about.
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From: IN
Originally Posted by johnsdiesel
That's the thing, this thread was started by someone who actually drove the truck, not on a graph. No matter how many graphs you study, it won't simulate real world driving.
And a seat of the pants feel for how fast something is isn'y always a good indication of how powerful a vehicle is. I know I've driven vehicles that felt fast only to find out they weren't. I've also driven vehicles that didn't feel spectacular only to be surprised at how quick they ran when timed at a drag race.
Point is, just because a vehicle feels sluggish during a test, unless a back to back or head to head comparison is done, it really means nothing.
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Originally Posted by tkondro
yes i have. sorry fordlariat just got caught up in the moment. you ain't going to like this but the denali only has 1700 payload.
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Not sure where I got the 2200 from. My bad.
And, yes, we all get caught up, probably more than we should. I hope no one takes it personally as we're all just here to exchange info, even if it does get heated at times.
And, yes, we all get caught up, probably more than we should. I hope no one takes it personally as we're all just here to exchange info, even if it does get heated at times.
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From: Denton,TX
Originally Posted by Ev2Demon
And, yes, we all get caught up, probably more than we should. I hope no one takes it personally as we're all just here to exchange info, even if it does get heated at times.
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Originally Posted by Ev2Demon
Actually, the dodges Mileage isn't as bad as some would like for you to think. We took my wifes on a 1500 mile trip to Pennsylvania and back last week and averaged 17.2 MPG (by my calculations, not the computers which showed 17.9 MPG). It was 80% highway, 20% in town driving. I was pretty happy with those numbers. I don't believe Ford or GM trucks do much better than that.
Also, acording to all the dyno graphs I've seen the Hemi makes at least 325 lb/ft of torque from idle up to it's peak of 375 at 4400. That is only a 50 lb/ft difference from idle to peak. I'd hardly call that no power on the low end.
Also, acording to all the dyno graphs I've seen the Hemi makes at least 325 lb/ft of torque from idle up to it's peak of 375 at 4400. That is only a 50 lb/ft difference from idle to peak. I'd hardly call that no power on the low end.
Maybe the truck I drove didn't see the dyno graphs, maybe it had something wrong, I don't know. I do know it didn't meet my expectations for power. I also drove a new F-150 with the 3V 5.4 and that also felt kind of weak. Will not waste my time at GM, Nissan is too ugly, Toyota not enough room.
This post was not about Ford vs Dodge, I like both. I see the Nissan with 40 less HP is able to outrun the Dodge (weight difference?) and after the test drive it got me wondering if Dodge overstated hp and/or torque numbers. This was the intent of my post.
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I don't think the Dodge is over rated, I actually think the Titan is under rated. Most of the Hemi's put out around 260-270 RWHP on a dyno. That is around a 22-24% loss. The F-150's I've seen make around 210-220 on the dyno. That is actually around a 27-28% loss. Either the Ford's drivetrain isn't as efficient, the Hemi is under rated, or the 5.4 is over rated. I'd assume it is more of a drive train efficiency issue than anyhting (I doubt Ford would over rate anything after the Cobra fiasco a few yrs ago). Now, the Titans I've seen are right around 255-260. Not quite as high as the Hemi, but close. The fact that the truck's are quicker is probably a combination of less weight, and a motor that is under rated at 305 HP.
Keep in mind that the above numbers represent 2wd trucks, 4wd will be lower.
Keep in mind that the above numbers represent 2wd trucks, 4wd will be lower.