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Old Jul 12, 2004 | 02:16 PM
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On the comparision test Between the Ford Dodge and Chevy Diesels Does anybody no if the Dodge and Chevy were the 600 pound and 590 pounds of torque models? This is not mentioned.Is their any test out their by a independent.
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Old Jul 12, 2004 | 02:57 PM
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Go read the article in pickuptruck.com about the 05 superduty and it will tell you that ford outpulled them all....However if you look at the article in pickuptruck.com about the 04.5 cummins 600 it will tell you that the 600 outpulled them all, so go figure....Im thinking its whoever does the testing....
This is why it was so nice to have one of..our own out there...Ken saw it with his own eyes>
 
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Old Jul 12, 2004 | 03:00 PM
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This is why it was so nice to have one of..our own out there...Ken saw it with his own eyes>
Ken was there when they tested them?Must be nice.
 
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Old Jul 12, 2004 | 09:42 PM
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Go read the article in pickuptruck.com about the 05 superduty and it will tell you that ford outpulled them all....However if you look at the article in pickuptruck.com about the 04.5 cummins 600 it will tell you that the 600 outpulled them all, so go figure....Im thinking its whoever does the testing....
Then look at the dates, the Cummins test was before the 2005 SD was out, and they weren't tested against each other. It's a matter of what's available for testing at the time that you want to test.
 
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Old Jul 13, 2004 | 05:56 AM
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They were the latest, "HO" engines. Axle ratios were the same as well... too many reporters there from every major publication for Ford to try to play any games.
That's good information. Where is it printed? I read the article and it sure never gave those details that I found. Also, how many miles were on the test trucks and who supplied them?
 
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Old Jul 13, 2004 | 06:03 AM
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That's good information. Where is it printed? I read the article and it sure never gave those details that I found. Also, how many miles were on the test trucks and who supplied them?
Why is who supplied them important,
and why "how many miles"....important
 
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Old Jul 13, 2004 | 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by 1956MarkII
From Ken's report on the 3 trucks:

I don't know how someone could read this and only see "the comparison between the Dodge and Ford pulling the trailers."
Sorry, I must have read the wrong article - mybad
 
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Old Jul 13, 2004 | 12:09 PM
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That's good information. Where is it printed? I read the article and it sure never gave those details that I found. Also, how many miles were on the test trucks and who supplied them?
So was that the PSD with the updated power - what ever that was. I can't remember. I think that article also proves the point that differant motors have diferant uses. PSD and Dmax are hwy pullers the cummins good farm motor.
 
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Old Jul 13, 2004 | 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by BTW
On the comparision test Between the Ford Dodge and Chevy Diesels Does anybody no if the Dodge and Chevy were the 600 pound and 590 pounds of torque models? This is not mentioned.Is their any test out their by a independent.
I think the test results are pretty accurate. The the torque'ier motors jumped out front first and the motor with the higher RPM and higher hp finished best.
 
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Old Jul 13, 2004 | 01:21 PM
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The powerstroke and Duramax passed the Cummins before 30 mph, Doesn't seem very high on the rpm's.
 
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Old Jul 13, 2004 | 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Tim Lamkin
Why is who supplied them important,
and why "how many miles"....important
If Ford supplied them, they may have picked some, um, under performing examples. I'd guess any manufacturer would, given the opportunity. I sure wish all these test were done on trucks they actually purchased off lots somewhere instead of ones delivered by the factories. I'm always suspicious of the results when any manufacturer gives them the truck(s) (cars, boats, etc, etc) to test.

Miles is important because a new diesel is slower than a well broken in one. I noticed a lot of power gain up to about 20k with my dmax and it feels like my soon to be bought back 6.0 is finally getting there too with 15k on it.
 

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Old Jul 13, 2004 | 02:57 PM
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is this the test you are talking about
http://www.truckworld.com/Truck-Test...superduty.html
 
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Old Jul 18, 2004 | 11:50 AM
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Dodge did the same test when the new cummins came out with different results.
When they give a review they should ask reps from all parties to participate.
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Dyno trucks to verify they are representative of their claims.

I do not buy the efficiency of the ford auto making as big a difference
However if its true then the real argument should be why would anyone want to buy a auto when the 6sp should be king. (Manuals are much more efficient at putting power to the wheels).

Just MHO
 

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Old Jul 18, 2004 | 03:20 PM
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In a side by side by side test of these three trucks I don't see the point of there being an emphasis on identical rear end gearing. It's my opinion that a truck supplied by a company could have any rear end gear they would want in their trucks as long as it's available on the trucks options list. Rear end gears matter a whole lot on the pulling ability of a truck. Just as the transmission gears and number of gears matters. Just as the engine size and configuration matters. No one limited these tests to 6.0 L trucks with 5 speed autos did they? Then why the emphasis on the gearing. I know a 6.0 PSD with a 6 speed and 4.88 gears will move HUGE loads (I own a 550). If the companies recipe for max towing power has a certain rear gear in mind why should they be restrained from the useage of that gear selection to negate the advantage of their engine tranny setup...who picked 3.73 in the first place?? In a pulling truck I'd expect 4.10 no less. Sure it's suck on the highway but it would pull harder be easier on the trans and probably reach 30 a lot quicker...who races to 30 with a 10,000+ pound load anyways??
 
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