Lifting a 460 engine
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Lifting a 460 engine
I have a '83 F250 and need to lift the engine cause I need to replace the oil pan gasket. My question is, where are the lifting points on the engine ? And will it be easier to leave the transmission on or disconnect that first ?
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Been there, done that. You can get it high enough to do it while the engine is in the truck with the tranny connected. Although reaching up all the time is a pain with oil dripping on you. I learned I can have mine out in 3 1/2 hours disconnecting it at the tranny and bell housing. For reinstallation I have taken 1/2 bolts 6" long, cut the heads off and use them as a guide to align the pilot shaft and can install it without any help. 460 and tranny together must weight about 800 lbs. takes one good cherry picker to lift that much.
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I would say loosen the fan shroud and put it back on the fan. Also your power steering hose will tighten. It depends on how much slack you have there as to weather you have to remove the power steering pump. Your going to have to watch yoru oil pressure sending unit too, in the back of the engine. Otherwise, just watch things like the rad hoses. I raised mine enough to get 2x4 blocks (actually 1 1/2" thick) in between the motor mounts and the place they bolt to. But you could maybe get 1 3/4" in there also. You might have to loosen your tranny mount bolts also. If you have 4x4, it is VERY, VERY diffiicult to take the oil pan out. You have to reach up inside and unbolt the oil pump and let it and the rear sump tubes fall into the oil pan. Then you can remove the pan and even then it doesn't slip right out. If your going to change one, go with the one piece style oil pan gasket. It costs about $25 from what I remember hearing, but is a better design. If you do have 4x4 and want to do a good job, you might want to consider pulling the motor out and up, loosening it from the transmission housing. Alot depends on your tools, your skill level and if your working inside or outside and things like that.
Good luck,
Tony
Good luck,
Tony
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Well, I want to take the engine out complete cause I have to do a lot of cleaning underneath it like the crossmember etc. cause off lots of oil leaked there. The main question is where do I hook up the chains from the engine hoist to the engine ? And will it be easier to leave the transmission on or take it off ?
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You'll have to take the fan shroud, the fan and I would take the radiator out. Take the air cleaner off, take the power steering pump off, the air injection pump intake hoses loose, the heater hoses and probably the upper and lower radiator hoses. Take the ground wire loose from the frame to engine and the ground cable from firewall to engine. Loosen the exhaust pipe bolts. If you have air conditioning, I'd probably remove the air conditioning pump from the mounting bracket rather than break the lines and have to recharge the system.
As for where to hook up. I'd think it would be best to have a piece of small I-beam to use as a spreader bar with a chain bolted on to each end and a hook or hole in the center of it. That way you can spread across your carb or fuel injection system. Hook into any bolt that looks as though it could hold 1000 lbs. Intake manifold bolts get used for this purpose sometimes.
I'd probably loosen the engine from the tranny, but it can sometimes be difficult for one guy to line them back up and push them together, so do this only if you plan to have some help nearby to help push the engine hoist, turn the crankshaft and eyeball the back of the engine at the same time.
Good luck,
Tony
As for where to hook up. I'd think it would be best to have a piece of small I-beam to use as a spreader bar with a chain bolted on to each end and a hook or hole in the center of it. That way you can spread across your carb or fuel injection system. Hook into any bolt that looks as though it could hold 1000 lbs. Intake manifold bolts get used for this purpose sometimes.
I'd probably loosen the engine from the tranny, but it can sometimes be difficult for one guy to line them back up and push them together, so do this only if you plan to have some help nearby to help push the engine hoist, turn the crankshaft and eyeball the back of the engine at the same time.
Good luck,
Tony
Last edited by Tony G; Jul 12, 2004 at 12:16 AM.
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Doing a little showing off Hired Gun?? Nice looking engine. I think that was ready to go in rather than coming out... huh?.. I used a carb plate lifter also just this week, but he didn't say if his was carbed or EFI. If he only wanted to remove the motor for an oil pan gasket change and cleaning the frame, I thought it would be simpler to leave the intake stuff on the engine. But yes, if you have a carbed motor, a carb plate lifter can do the job too. I don't see a weight transfer thingy doodad hired gun... how did you get the tranny in the compartment without hitting the rad support??
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Yes that is going in. One hole back of center on the carb plate held it just as you see. It was well balanced and was easy to tip by hand. In a van the core support is even trickier than a pickup do to no overhead clearance.. In a pickup I think the center hole would have tipped it back far enough to work.
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