Engine Suring
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Engine Suring
I Have A 2003 F350, 4x4 With The 6.0 Diesel, Under A Load Or Pulling A Trailer The Engine Seems To Suring When Taking Off From A Stopped Position, Anyone Else Have This Problem. The Truck Just Turned 11k Miles. Thanks
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Just recieved a call from the sevice department. They said that the truck has shown know problems on their computer. They updated the pcm. Hopefully this does'nt screw anything else up. The diesel tech took the truck for a drive and said that he did not notice any problems. I hope the update took care of the problem. Otherwise when I pull my 10,000 lb camper in 4 weeks he can ride with and tell me there is no problems then.
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I went to pick up the truck tonight. And within 50 feet of their entrance I noticed the truck surging the same as when I dropped her off. Frustrated as can be I demanded that the service manager take a ride with me. I pulled out of the dealership and started down the road at about 2200 rpm's of acceleration. I then asked is this normal operating conditions for the new 6.0. The diesel tech in the vehicle with me said absulutly not. We will take her back in the shop and resolve your problem. I gave him this website and a few others with good information on this surging problem. I also told them that I believe the problem to be an EBP sensor. I will keep everybody informed as to the result of my surging problem.
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Originally Posted by wildcat421
I went to pick up the truck tonight. And within 50 feet of their entrance I noticed the truck surging the same as when I dropped her off. Frustrated as can be I demanded that the service manager take a ride with me. I pulled out of the dealership and started down the road at about 2200 rpm's of acceleration. I then asked is this normal operating conditions for the new 6.0. The diesel tech in the vehicle with me said absulutly not. We will take her back in the shop and resolve your problem. I gave him this website and a few others with good information on this surging problem. I also told them that I believe the problem to be an EBP sensor. I will keep everybody informed as to the result of my surging problem.
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I will do that. Once the tech was with me he agreed that their was a problem. I was just getting frustrated that they say it passed all test and showed nothing wrong. They all(diesel techs) act like the computer is always write. Just becuase the computer diagnostics say its ok they say its ok. But the seat of your pants test says that it is not correct. I believe they will get it fixed this time. And I will most certainly thank them for it. Heck I may even take them to lunch.
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As I had posted at another link, mine does it also. Mine gets better after engine is up to full temp. (so far!) I have appointment with my Ford dealer wednesday. I have talked to my tech on the phone and he said that the exhaust sensors have been giving them some problems. I'll post back after my visit!! hc
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Originally Posted by supernewguy
would the oil being overfilled have anything to do with this? I get confused with all the potential culprits relating to similar problems.
The only (major) reliability issues lie in the fuel system...most any problems, from most places in the fuel system, result in the same problems...smoke, sputtering, rough idle, low power, ect...Makes it hard to diagnose sometimes
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Originally Posted by supernewguy
would the oil being overfilled have anything to do with this? I get confused with all the potential culprits relating to similar problems.
This from AK1MKING:
It's not just the 6.0PSD!
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Had an interesing conversation with two of the experts from Detroit Diesel this past week at work. I work in the underground hardrock mining industry as a engineer. All of the equipment we use underground from haul trucks, to drills, are diesel powered. While speaking with the mainteance planner, he had two gentlemen from Detroit Diesel in his office. Apparently two of our 20 ton underground haul trucks were experiencing intermittent rough idles, hard start, stalling, poor drivability, etc. Our on-site diesel mechanics are very, very sharp (many with over 20-30+ experience) and could not figure it out. Since the engines were still under warranty they called Detriot Diesel to send some factory experts out.
Problem was solved in about 2 hrs, by letting a little oil out of the pan of both trucks. While the engines were not overfull, they were up to the full mark. The Detriot Diesel engines (I think they were series 40 or 20) utilize the HEUI injection system, and the Detroit guys stated this system is so intolerant of any air entering the system, they recommend keeping the oil level in the middle of the dipstick cross hatch. They even stated they have compared dipsticks on the same model engines and found very small differences between sticks, that can amount to a large volume of oil, leading to an overfull condition.
Just a piece of info to back up what Tim, SBV45, and many others on this site have mentioned many times before.
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Had an interesing conversation with two of the experts from Detroit Diesel this past week at work. I work in the underground hardrock mining industry as a engineer. All of the equipment we use underground from haul trucks, to drills, are diesel powered. While speaking with the mainteance planner, he had two gentlemen from Detroit Diesel in his office. Apparently two of our 20 ton underground haul trucks were experiencing intermittent rough idles, hard start, stalling, poor drivability, etc. Our on-site diesel mechanics are very, very sharp (many with over 20-30+ experience) and could not figure it out. Since the engines were still under warranty they called Detriot Diesel to send some factory experts out.
Problem was solved in about 2 hrs, by letting a little oil out of the pan of both trucks. While the engines were not overfull, they were up to the full mark. The Detriot Diesel engines (I think they were series 40 or 20) utilize the HEUI injection system, and the Detroit guys stated this system is so intolerant of any air entering the system, they recommend keeping the oil level in the middle of the dipstick cross hatch. They even stated they have compared dipsticks on the same model engines and found very small differences between sticks, that can amount to a large volume of oil, leading to an overfull condition.
Just a piece of info to back up what Tim, SBV45, and many others on this site have mentioned many times before.
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Here is a Ford bulletin I just came across:
Oil Level Check Tip:
When checking the oil level on the 6.0, the vehicle must be on a level surface and the dipstick must be fully seated into the tube to ensure an accuarte reading. Do not add oil if the level is above the "MIN" line on the dipstick. Broadcast Message 1512, 1574
When checking the oil level on the 6.0, the vehicle must be on a level surface and the dipstick must be fully seated into the tube to ensure an accuarte reading. Do not add oil if the level is above the "MIN" line on the dipstick. Broadcast Message 1512, 1574
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This is very interesting. As my oil level was at the max on the stick. I will be calling the doctor this morning to check on my baby. If he has'nt found nothing yet I will suggest that they have over fed her and she may need to be burped.He He He!!!!!!!
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The truck is back and better than ever I might add. The diesel doc was able to trace the problem of my surging to the VGT sensor and the EBP sensor. Where have I heard this before. Oh yea, right here at FTE. Thanks guys. Without the info from here I would have gone back and forth several times to the tech. They also updated my pcm. And the truck is running better than ever. What makes this even better is that the diesel tech was cool. He listened to what I had to say and checked everything I had asked. Awesome.