possible duramax issue
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Originally Posted by neverenough
More than they are making now. I sold my '99 becouse I didn't want to add a bunch of performance stuff to it just to make it have enough power. The problem is with the owners of the trucks. Give them more power and they think they need to use it all the time. For example: Say Ford comes out with a 450 hp PSD. Now, do you think most owners will say "cool, I can cruise at 63 mph and pull my load with very little throttle input and get great mileage"??? No, they will say "cool, instead of driving 75mph with 10,000lbs, I can now drive 90". In turn, Ford will have to build the motor around those conditions or they will go under with warrenty claims from burned down motors, it's a catch 22. That's why I went back to older trucks. I can build what I need, that fits the way I drive, for a lot less money than a new truck. In most cases, I get much better mileage than the newer trucks too.
Unless there is some monster gap in the numbers a motor produces compared to its competition, that is not what I base a buying decision on anyway. The range of HP between the three is 15 now and the torque spread is 30 or 40, right? Not a big deal, IMO.
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Originally Posted by jeb
GM just issued an extended warranty for 159,000 01 and 02 dmax owners. The diesel warranty was 5/100k and is now 7yr/200k. They are sure stepping up the plate on this issue. It'd be nice if Ford would follow suit but they seem much less interested in customer satisfaction in my experience so I doubt they'll be doing anything like that.
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Originally Posted by MW95F250
Being that it's a GM, you'll NEED that extended warranty.
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Not with the GM's we've had. Numerous recalls, and of course the never ending psiton slapping, and the csk, and the intake gaskets blowing that their engines are famous for, even more so than the 6.0L.
Forgot to mention: GM has known about all of those issues since '98, and its still not fixed in the design YET.
Forgot to mention: GM has known about all of those issues since '98, and its still not fixed in the design YET.
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Here's where you can go for some consolation. www.gmpistonslap.com It's a very interesting site, you ought to look at it, might learn some things you might not have otherwise known due to the "GM can do no wrong syndrome".
Yes, I admit that the 6.0 has been a problem to Ford, the point I'm trying to make is that GM has had an even larger problem for almost 7 years now with the vortec v-8 engines, and still refuses to acknowledge it. That's bad business. But of course you may not remember this, but it was recorded that the top dog of GM said that "GM is not in the business to make cars, GM is in the business to make MONEY."
Yes, I admit that the 6.0 has been a problem to Ford, the point I'm trying to make is that GM has had an even larger problem for almost 7 years now with the vortec v-8 engines, and still refuses to acknowledge it. That's bad business. But of course you may not remember this, but it was recorded that the top dog of GM said that "GM is not in the business to make cars, GM is in the business to make MONEY."
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Originally Posted by MW95F250
Here's where you can go for some consolation. www.gmpistonslap.com It's a very interesting site, you ought to look at it, might learn some things you might not have otherwise known due to the "GM can do no wrong syndrome".
Yes, I admit that the 6.0 has been a problem to Ford, the point I'm trying to make is that GM has had an even larger problem for almost 7 years now with the vortec v-8 engines, and still refuses to acknowledge it. That's bad business. But of course you may not remember this, but it was recorded that the top dog of GM said that "GM is not in the business to make cars, GM is in the business to make MONEY."
Yes, I admit that the 6.0 has been a problem to Ford, the point I'm trying to make is that GM has had an even larger problem for almost 7 years now with the vortec v-8 engines, and still refuses to acknowledge it. That's bad business. But of course you may not remember this, but it was recorded that the top dog of GM said that "GM is not in the business to make cars, GM is in the business to make MONEY."
Gm, Chrysler, toyota, all have their Problems, and Im not on the GM bandwagon by any means, and agree its pathetic with the Piston Slap..
However, for a diesel Pick-up.. The Duramax, as well as the Cummins are leaps and bounds more reliable than the 6.0 currently is and Consumer satisfaction numbers and Problems per 100 prove that.
And Heres a Shocker, Ford isn't in the business to make cars either, Its all about money..For any automobile manufacturer to say they currently market and produce automobiles to better the product, or because they enjoy the
challenge is nothing but a VERY blatant Lie..
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Lets see - I currently have a 2000 Tahoe with 160,000 miles - its had the "piston-slap" sound its whole life. Still runs great only thing done to it is tires and 1 brake job. Had a 1990 F150 4x4 ext-cab - at 140,000 miles the engine died. Had replaced the transmision twice @ appox. $2000 a pop - needed new brakes every 20 to 30 thousand miles - exaust rusted out - paint peeled off in sheets ..........
Further more I'm talking Diesels - not gas - The 6.0 Powerstoke is not the 7.3 (which I think was the best diesel made) So when I compare the Duramax to the Powerstroke - I'm looking at current production not 5 years in the past.
Further more I'm talking Diesels - not gas - The 6.0 Powerstoke is not the 7.3 (which I think was the best diesel made) So when I compare the Duramax to the Powerstroke - I'm looking at current production not 5 years in the past.
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Originally Posted by ktmguy70
And Please go to www.consumeraffairs.com and see the years of unacknowledgeed ford problems.. Quite a few years of 3.8 Head gaskets going, Quite a few years of Tranny Trouble, a few years of Heads spitting out plugs.. The Site also will also list GM, Chrysler, Foreign Problems also..
Gm, Chrysler, toyota, all have their Problems, and Im not on the GM bandwagon by any means, and agree its pathetic with the Piston Slap..
However, for a diesel Pick-up.. The Duramax, as well as the Cummins are leaps and bounds more reliable than the 6.0 currently is and Consumer satisfaction numbers and Problems per 100 prove that.
And Heres a Shocker, Ford isn't in the business to make cars either, Its all about money..For any automobile manufacturer to say they currently market and produce automobiles to better the product, or because they enjoy the
challenge is nothing but a VERY blatant Lie..
Gm, Chrysler, toyota, all have their Problems, and Im not on the GM bandwagon by any means, and agree its pathetic with the Piston Slap..
However, for a diesel Pick-up.. The Duramax, as well as the Cummins are leaps and bounds more reliable than the 6.0 currently is and Consumer satisfaction numbers and Problems per 100 prove that.
And Heres a Shocker, Ford isn't in the business to make cars either, Its all about money..For any automobile manufacturer to say they currently market and produce automobiles to better the product, or because they enjoy the
challenge is nothing but a VERY blatant Lie..
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Originally Posted by taco
Lets see - I currently have a 2000 Tahoe with 160,000 miles - its had the "piston-slap" sound its whole life. Still runs great only thing done to it is tires and 1 brake job. Had a 1990 F150 4x4 ext-cab - at 140,000 miles the engine died. Had replaced the transmision twice @ appox. $2000 a pop - needed new brakes every 20 to 30 thousand miles - exaust rusted out - paint peeled off in sheets ..........
Further more I'm talking Diesels - not gas - The 6.0 Powerstoke is not the 7.3 (which I think was the best diesel made) So when I compare the Duramax to the Powerstroke - I'm looking at current production not 5 years in the past.
Further more I'm talking Diesels - not gas - The 6.0 Powerstoke is not the 7.3 (which I think was the best diesel made) So when I compare the Duramax to the Powerstroke - I'm looking at current production not 5 years in the past.
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Originally Posted by MW95F250
If that's the case with all companies, then who is out to actually make a quality product???? The way you put it, nobody is out to make a quality car.
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Originally Posted by taco
Lets see - I currently have a 2000 Tahoe with 160,000 miles - its had the "piston-slap" sound its whole life. Still runs great only thing done to it is tires and 1 brake job. Had a 1990 F150 4x4 ext-cab - at 140,000 miles the engine died. Had replaced the transmision twice @ appox. $2000 a pop - needed new brakes every 20 to 30 thousand miles - exaust rusted out - paint peeled off in sheets ..........
Further more I'm talking Diesels - not gas - The 6.0 Powerstoke is not the 7.3 (which I think was the best diesel made) So when I compare the Duramax to the Powerstroke - I'm looking at current production not 5 years in the past.
Further more I'm talking Diesels - not gas - The 6.0 Powerstoke is not the 7.3 (which I think was the best diesel made) So when I compare the Duramax to the Powerstroke - I'm looking at current production not 5 years in the past.
Our Excursion , other than nitpicky quality control things, has been reliable other than a transmission that wouldnt down shift but was easily fixed.
Had 93 Cherokee with Piston Slap at startup, Over 150,000 on it before selling it to Neighbor, still going.
HOWEVER , I still feel there should be no Piston Slap at all in any Vehicle, especially in todays day and age, I also feel when you spend 30,000-50,000 on a new Truck,(of any make) it shouldnt have to go back to the dealer for anything, PERIOD. I expect to much I reckon..
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Originally Posted by MW95F250
My grandfather has one of those Chevy trucks and he's on his 4th, almost 5th transmission now, at 125,000 miles. That's why I drive a Ford.
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I agree no Slap would be better - however its not the engine destroyer everybody makes it out to be.
Why when you compare the Powerstroke to the Duramax does the Piston Slap issue come up? Its not relevant to the Duramax.
Why when you compare the Powerstroke to the Duramax does the Piston Slap issue come up? Its not relevant to the Duramax.