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my 2002 f-350 has lost the turbo,motor,and 2 transmissions in 7000 miles.ford is now going to replace the vehicle and i am gonna try a 6 speed.not impressed with the product.i have it pumped a little,122 hp chip,4 inch straight pipe,v-10 air cleaner assembly,and 35 inch tires.but i dont hot rod it.go figure
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I would tend to agree about the chip. I have had many 7.3's, and all have been excellent. I do a lot of expressway driving and typically go 15,000 miles between oil changes, and 300,000 miles of worry free driving has never been a problem. I haven't kept them much longer than that, but the new owners are still driving them.
What is the point to all those mods if it isn't to hot-rod? In that case, you have wasted your money. Put it back to stock and drive it.
What is the point to all those mods if it isn't to hot-rod? In that case, you have wasted your money. Put it back to stock and drive it.
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Any chip over 80 HP is asking for trouble. A 90 HP chip requires a downpipe, 4" exhaust and an EGT gauge and even then its still not a good idea to tow anything except the smallest of loads. A 122HP chip is just asking for trouble and whatever chip dealer sold you that chip ought to be ashamed for not telling you of the inherant dangers of such a hot chip.
You're going to keep having problems so long as you use such an extreme chip --- the exhaust temps are going to keep causing problems, overheating the turbo blades and generally frying the turbo charger.
Get your chip reprogrammed for 80HP by a REPUTABLE chip dealer who'll tell you the truth about such chips.
You're going to keep having problems so long as you use such an extreme chip --- the exhaust temps are going to keep causing problems, overheating the turbo blades and generally frying the turbo charger.
Get your chip reprogrammed for 80HP by a REPUTABLE chip dealer who'll tell you the truth about such chips.
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[updated:LAST EDITED ON 25-Jun-02 AT 12:33 PM (EST)]All the guys who have to pony up big bucks for new trucks thank you for having to pay for Ford to replace your vehicle. You must have had a weak DSB or you pulled the mods and mislead the Board.
I have no problem with chips as long as they are used responsibly. You have to accept some of the blame if you modify a vehicle outside it's specifications. If I see a truck chipped and without gauges, that says the owner has no sense of what that chip can do to his truck and just does not care.
I have no problem with chips as long as they are used responsibly. You have to accept some of the blame if you modify a vehicle outside it's specifications. If I see a truck chipped and without gauges, that says the owner has no sense of what that chip can do to his truck and just does not care.
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guys be easy on me please.i ran the exact same set up my my 2001 dually and had no problems and that truck towed 12000pds every weekend for 18 months.i run a exhaust temp gauge and the truck has a tranny temp gauge.my point is that my 2002 cant make it over 2500 without a major component failure.after the motor change i really went easy on the truck and it still lost the tranny.and i forgot about the fact that the back brakes decided to stop working.ford is king but i feel i got a lemon.
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I'm not trying to be hard on you, just stating the facts as I know them. I program a LOT of chips for Powerstrokes.
Here's what Superchips has to say about it:
THE FORD POWERSTROKE EXTREME CHIPS AND FILES WERE DEVELOPED FOR RACING ONLY APPLICATIONS AND WERE NEVER INTENDED TO BE USED ON THE STREET OR FOR DAILY DRIVING. SUPERCHIPS STRIVES TO MAKE ALL OF ITS CHIPS SAFE AND RELIABLE AND TO WORK WITHIN DESIGN PARAMETERS OF THE VEHICLE AND POWERETRAIN. THESE EXTREME FILES PUSH THE FUNCTIONAL DESIGN LIMITS OF BOTH THE VEHICLE AND THE POWERTRAIN. ANY DAMAGE CAUSED BY THE USE OF THESE CHIPS WILL NOT BE COVERED UNDER THE FORD WARRANTY. SUPERCHIPS WILL IN NO WAY ACCEPT ANY LIABILITY FOR THE USE OF THESE CHIPS OR FILES.
And they aren't even taking about 122HP chips, they're talking about 100 HP chips. 120+ is even worse. Really, you are asking for trouble running that kind of chip, you just got lucky last time.
Here's what Superchips has to say about it:
THE FORD POWERSTROKE EXTREME CHIPS AND FILES WERE DEVELOPED FOR RACING ONLY APPLICATIONS AND WERE NEVER INTENDED TO BE USED ON THE STREET OR FOR DAILY DRIVING. SUPERCHIPS STRIVES TO MAKE ALL OF ITS CHIPS SAFE AND RELIABLE AND TO WORK WITHIN DESIGN PARAMETERS OF THE VEHICLE AND POWERETRAIN. THESE EXTREME FILES PUSH THE FUNCTIONAL DESIGN LIMITS OF BOTH THE VEHICLE AND THE POWERTRAIN. ANY DAMAGE CAUSED BY THE USE OF THESE CHIPS WILL NOT BE COVERED UNDER THE FORD WARRANTY. SUPERCHIPS WILL IN NO WAY ACCEPT ANY LIABILITY FOR THE USE OF THESE CHIPS OR FILES.
And they aren't even taking about 122HP chips, they're talking about 100 HP chips. 120+ is even worse. Really, you are asking for trouble running that kind of chip, you just got lucky last time.
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>And they aren't even taking about 122HP chips, they're
>talking about 100 HP chips. 120+ is even worse.
>Really, you are asking for trouble running
>that kind of chip, you just got lucky last time.
What type of transmission management does Super Chips have for the autos? I am running the big Banks chip [link:www.bankspower.com/app.cfm?appid=AF02|PowerPack] with a transcommand and have had no problems with the E4OD in a '95. I run Mobile 1 synthetic in it and have a Hayden stacked plate aux cooler. It takes a long hard pull with 100 plus temps in the desert with the A/C on before temps start to reach 200 degrees. So far, no problems at all with about 12,200 miles of actual towing @ 15,200 GVW and 74k odometer miles.
>And they aren't even taking about 122HP chips, they're
>talking about 100 HP chips. 120+ is even worse.
>Really, you are asking for trouble running
>that kind of chip, you just got lucky last time.
What type of transmission management does Super Chips have for the autos? I am running the big Banks chip [link:www.bankspower.com/app.cfm?appid=AF02|PowerPack] with a transcommand and have had no problems with the E4OD in a '95. I run Mobile 1 synthetic in it and have a Hayden stacked plate aux cooler. It takes a long hard pull with 100 plus temps in the desert with the A/C on before temps start to reach 200 degrees. So far, no problems at all with about 12,200 miles of actual towing @ 15,200 GVW and 74k odometer miles.
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Its not tranny per se. Its the entire effect of that much HP from a chip alone. If you want SAFE high end HP, get a ~80HP chip, change out the shift valve, run synthetics, use an EGT gauge and replace the entire exhaust plus a tranny cooler. If you haul very heavy loads you may even want to look at an aftermarket torque convertor. The combination should put you in the range you want and do it safely.
Doesn't it just strike you as odd that he's been through a turbo (from extremely high EGTs), an engine (again from EGTs) and two transmissions (due to EGTs and probably too hard a shift) and oh... by the way, he's pumped it "a little". His chip vendor shouldn't have sold him such a chip without warning him first.
Doesn't it just strike you as odd that he's been through a turbo (from extremely high EGTs), an engine (again from EGTs) and two transmissions (due to EGTs and probably too hard a shift) and oh... by the way, he's pumped it "a little". His chip vendor shouldn't have sold him such a chip without warning him first.
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I think it boils down to a lack of driver education or common sense on how to drive a high output engine. The factory tries to design a drivetrain that will hold up (warranty etc) under all driving conditions, from the ones that just ease around to the ones that drive wide open all the time. I see the same problems with the big trucks. Some drivers can run an engine with 2050 ft.lbs. of torque 5-600K miles with no problems while others are lucky to get 75K without a breakdown. I commend your efforts to warn people of the potential problems with the bigger chips but I think with proper education these chips could be still be safely used for street use.
Maybe we should start a new thread with tips on safely using the extra torque and HP and compile that into a "Fact Sheet" you can include with all chip sales, diesel and gasser.
I don't know what the actual design limits are on the PSD before catastrophic failure but Joe could probably add that info.
I am off to a Styx concert, be back later.
Maybe we should start a new thread with tips on safely using the extra torque and HP and compile that into a "Fact Sheet" you can include with all chip sales, diesel and gasser.
I don't know what the actual design limits are on the PSD before catastrophic failure but Joe could probably add that info.
I am off to a Styx concert, be back later.
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well actually guys i lost my tranny because of the wrong pcm code after the last replacement.so my dealer will replace the tranny and then replace the truck.i love ford by i have recommended it to many people and all the 2002 models are failing.mainly turbo problem and know they are not pumped motors.you guys know how it is when you recommend something to a friend and they have nothing but problems,you never hear the end of it.
