Has any one used one of these? Any one know how it compares to the Superchip micro tuner? Pros? Cons?

Any input greatly appreciated!

Peter

 

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 31-May-02 AT 02:03 PM (EST)]>Has any one used one of these? Any one know how it compares
>to the Superchip micro tuner? Pros? Cons?
>

Hello I have no experince with superchips

>Any input greatly appreciated!
>
>peter

If you go to http://www.ford-diesel.com
left side of screen click on Achives
go to bottom right of screen and click on more articles
then go to middle of page click on power chip test series
then click on the link part 1 paducah dyno test series
This should give you some answers, cuz it compares some chip to chip.

 

Thanks for the info source. However, the info is two years old and refers to chips. Since I will be purchasing a programmer, I'm wondering how relevent the data is. Also, I'm installing into a brand spankin' new F250, not a 2000 F350.

All that said, according to those chip tests, the Hypertech appears to have performed better than the Superchip--Among the highest in RWHP and among the lowest in EGT.

Any one else have any opinions??

 

A programmer's tuning is no different than a chip's tuning.

Example: both the current Superchips chip for the Powerstroke and the Superchips Powerstroke Microtuner deliver the EXACT same tuning code. The only difference is the method of delivery. One thing to keep in mind about that test is what wasn't disclosed by the article:

1. It was done at a facility that sells one of the brands of chips
2. The load applied to the dyno during the pulls. I have it on good authority that the load applied was NOT the same from brand to brand.

 

Ken,

I understand what you're saying. I just wonder why the tests were so inconclusive if they were being skewed by a biased party. The reviewer clearly states that no conclusion coud be drawn from the test. And I can pick out three or four chips from the bunch that appear to do what I want.

Of course, no offense, you sell chips here too....and one of them is not Hypertech.

Unfortunately, none of this is doing me any good. I was hoping to get informed pro & cons to help me make my buying decision. Maybe over the weekend we'll see some more posting activity.

BTW, Ken, are you following the thread scmt/trans torque/trans gage? I'd be interested in getting your comments over there, on the dangers to the R4100 AT from using any chip.

Thanks

Peter

 

>Ken,
>
>I understand what you're saying. I just wonder why the
>tests were so inconclusive if they were being skewed by a
>biased party. The reviewer clearly states that no
>conclusion coud be drawn from the test. And I can pick out
>three or four chips from the bunch that appear to do what I
>want.

The reviewer was not the biased party. The person doing the pulls, however, was.

>
>Of course, no offense, you sell chips here too....and
>one of them is not Hypertech.

No offense taken. One of my suppliers from Tennessee has them so I could sell them but I don't for good reasons. Also, no offense, but realise that the store here IS the reason why this site can exist. The site's monthly bandwidth fees alone could pay for two Powerstroke truck payments.

>
>Unfortunately, none of this is doing me any good. I was
>hoping to get informed pro & cons to help me make my buying
>decision. Maybe over the weekend we'll see some more
>posting activity.

At the risk of repeating myself from earlier threads, here's a cut and paste I posted comparing the two:

Raise Rev Limiter
Superchips: Yes
Hypertech: No

Engine Tuning:
Superchips: Yes
Hypertech: Yes

Programmable Shift points:
Superchips: No
Hypertech: No

Firms up shifts:
Superchips: Yes
Hypertech: Yes

Raises Speed Limiter:
Superchips: Yes
Hypertech: No

Change Tire/Axle Ratio:
Superchips: No
Hypertech: No

CARB Certified:
Superchips: Yes
Hypertech: No

Horse Power:
Superchips: 60/80
Hypertech: 50

Programs all years (ie, within certain limits can be used on future trucks):
Superchips: Yes
Hypertech: No

All the information about the Hypertech comes from their website.

>BTW, Ken, are you following the thread scmt/trans
>torque/trans gage? I'd be interested in getting
>your comments over there, on the dangers to the R4100 AT
>from using any chip.

Which forum? I'm juggling phone calls, postings, and 100+ emails per day. Answered at least a dozen postings today.

 

I went back to the site and reread cuz I though I saw the hypertech
PP III. not trying to aurgue but it is there unless PP III doesn't stand for Power Programmer III. Test date was 14 months ago. yes your right it is a 2000 f-350. I though the engine was the same!truck just has different suspension,a few accessories changes and a little hp/ torque changes. A increase in one would translate to a increase in the other.My mistake. Only site I saw so far with any type of chip comparison.
over and out
gseeders

 

OK I'll bite,
I have had BOTH chips in my truck! Truck is a 99.5 F-350 XLT PSD Auto SC SB 373 gears.
The PPIII in my truck with a Dynomax exhaust did 260RWHP on a Dyno. I have not Dynoed the SMT. In all fairness the PPIII off the line is a ROCKET compared to the SMT in either mode. The PPIII I believe firms up the shifts a little better than the SMT. But the SMT pulls better throughout the whole RPM range. The PPIII pulls great but flatens out a little after mid range compared to the SMT. In the 80HP mode the SMT is a HOT chip. I hit 1250 degrees under full throttle and barely hit 45mph. Gauges ARE mandatory!!! The PPIII NEVER went above 1250. Granted it is only a 50HP chip. If you like to JUMP off the line the PPIII is the one to go with IMO. For smooth power in the entire RPM range go with the SMT. Personally for a 50HP tuner the PPIII is one heck of a product. But if you want the option to REALLY hotrod your truck you can't beat having the choice of 60 versus 80HP the the SMT will give you.
Hope this helps,
Shane

 

And now there's the Diablo Delta which we offer that lets you flip, ON THE FLY, between 54 HP and 78 HP. You get the best of both worlds in an instant plus you can flip it to stock and also add a kick switch to it.

 

Ken,

Any plans for Diablo to come out with a "tuner" type product? I am really set on buying a tuner as opposed to a chip.

Thanks,

Peter

 

No. If you're really set on it, get the Hypertech but only enjoy the HP benefits at WOT.

 

Ken,

I think you misunderstood me....I'm going to buy the Superchips Microtuner. You convinced me in the earlier posts in this thread. Also, I've read enough other places to think the SCMT is the right one for me.

The only thing I liked better about the Hypertech was the ability to make adjustments for non-stock tire sizes, and that isn't available on the tuner for PSDs.

I WOULD like some reassurances about EGTs though.....I don't tow, and I intend to use the 60hp program, but I can't afford to do exhaust mods and gauges right now.

Is it your and SC's opinion that the 60 hp program is safe without engine/exhaust mods? At speeds up to 95 mph?

Thanks again for all your input.


Peter

 

I just got done talking to one of the vendors who participated in the tests. Their particular chip scored well but even so they told me the test was utter BS:

1. The dyno numbers didn't match common dyno numbers many of the vendors normally see.

2. There was ZERO cool down period between pulls. Basically, pull, swap, pull, swap, pull, swap, etc. It basically means that the results for any of the chips tested after the very first chip were false.

3. Oil temperatures where not measured between tests, making sure each chip started from the same base line.

4. The load wasn't consistant.

Apparently many of the chip vendors were not happy with the way the tests were conducted. So far I've talked to two of them, one of them a competitor and they pretty agree that the tests were not properly conducted.

As to the question, I believe answered this on the phone but I'll repeat it here.... the 60 HP should be okay, no EGT problems, even at higher speeds.