6.0 announcement
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got the official announcement on the 6.0 today from ford. 325 @ 3300 and 560 @ 2200. 32 valve, hydraulic rail fuel injection and electronic variable response turbo. has a new powercore air cleaner and by the pic looks like the oil filter and fuel filter are right on top of the engine. release date just says fall 2002. oh yea also has the release of the torqshift 5-speed auto trans at the same time also. ford says they are going to leapfrog the competetion.
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We will (supposedly) build our last 7.3L Power Stroke on Sept. 27, 2002 and will have enough 7.3's banked by that time to run Ford through the month of October. Ford will begin building 6.0L Power Stroke equipped vehicles on Nov. 4, 2002 (except for the Econolines, which will continue with the 7.3 for 2003). I've seen the new engine run on the dyno and the torque and horse power figures are true -- it'll do it!!
The top mounted oil filter is a slick piece of engineering. When you get ready to change the oil filter, you just loosen the cap (with a 1/2 inch drive ratchet) a couple turns and it opens a drain valve in the bottom of the housing allowing the oil to drain back to the crankcase. The filter itself is a element type which makes for less bulk to be disposed of (more environmentally friendly).
I don't exactly know how Ford figures that they are "leap frogging" the competition when they (GM) have had engine in that H/P range with the Allison automatic transmission in production for more than a year. What ever!!
The top mounted oil filter is a slick piece of engineering. When you get ready to change the oil filter, you just loosen the cap (with a 1/2 inch drive ratchet) a couple turns and it opens a drain valve in the bottom of the housing allowing the oil to drain back to the crankcase. The filter itself is a element type which makes for less bulk to be disposed of (more environmentally friendly).
I don't exactly know how Ford figures that they are "leap frogging" the competition when they (GM) have had engine in that H/P range with the Allison automatic transmission in production for more than a year. What ever!!
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the way i take this letter that they will be offering both for awhile??? it says the 7.3 with the new 6.0, "power stroke engines represent a tnadem of diesel powerplants that will be he envy of the industry."
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We have a plant in Brazil which manufactures the 7.3L Power Stroke engine. Right now they are producing the Econoline engine for the Lorain Assembly Plant and F-Series engines for the Mexican Ford plant. As far as I know, all our 6.0L production will go to the Louisville Assembly Plant. I don't know what the Ford Mexico plant is going to produce. It is possible if you want a 7.3L equipped truck it will come from Mexico and if you want a 6.0L equipped vehicle it will come from Louisville, but I don't know that for sure. If somebody knows the answer, please post it here. Thank you.
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you can call me old-fashioned, but here are my two cents..
smaller displacement engines require higher rpm's to develop torque and horsepower.. higher rpm's mean greater piston speed resulting in a greater wear index..
are we losing the big advantage of diesel engines here?? that advantage being high displacement engines developing maximum torque and horsepower at low rpm's..
i still feel that there is no substitute for cubic inches in generating power..
jim
smaller displacement engines require higher rpm's to develop torque and horsepower.. higher rpm's mean greater piston speed resulting in a greater wear index..
are we losing the big advantage of diesel engines here?? that advantage being high displacement engines developing maximum torque and horsepower at low rpm's..
i still feel that there is no substitute for cubic inches in generating power..
jim
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Torque peak occurs at 2200 and H/P peaks at 3300. I haven't been able to plot the curves yet but we had one running last night on the dyno and it was making 340 H/P @ 3300 RPM with about 10 hours on it, using a stock Ford program. There was another engine (a preproduction engine) that they had running at our engineering facility that had 577 ft.lb. of torque at 2200 RPM.
I thought the same thing as you about trading low end grunt for high end H/P but it really doesn't seem to be the case.
I thought the same thing as you about trading low end grunt for high end H/P but it really doesn't seem to be the case.
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Hey Joe,
What kind of penalties is International going to have to pay for selling the 7.3L past Oct 1st? Or will this engine meet the 2.5gram NOX level with aftertreatment?
What kind of penalties is International going to have to pay for selling the 7.3L past Oct 1st? Or will this engine meet the 2.5gram NOX level with aftertreatment?
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I have some reservations about new engines....no matter whose they are.I went ahead and bought a PSD just because many dealers are loaded with these '02 models and they are cutting deals on them. Also, I know the 7.3 in proven and it could take a little while for the 6.0 to shake out the bugs. However, I bought a first year production 5.4 modular engine and I put 120,000 miles on it with no problems at all. I still love my 7.3, and am not even jelous....yet....of the power and torque of the new 6.0. Who knows, as time has proven, the 6.0 will probably be putting out 400 hp and 650 ft/lbs of torque in just a few years.......just like the power increases in the PSD in its run. That's when I will get jelous......
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rob_nc:
As far as I know the current 7.3L engine meest the new exhaust emission standards now. It is my understanding that we are not building this new engine to meet exhaust emissions standards but to make a more powerful engine through increased volumetric effeciency (4 valves per cylinder), we've got a new variable flow turbocharger, the new injectors are more versatile, smaller and less expensive to make. This is the next step in the evoloutionary process of diesel technology.
79CEEJAY:
I pretty much agree with your assessment. If I were going to buy a new Ford diesel right now, I'd get the 7.3 and avoid the start up de-bugging. (Just my opinion.)
As far as I know the current 7.3L engine meest the new exhaust emission standards now. It is my understanding that we are not building this new engine to meet exhaust emissions standards but to make a more powerful engine through increased volumetric effeciency (4 valves per cylinder), we've got a new variable flow turbocharger, the new injectors are more versatile, smaller and less expensive to make. This is the next step in the evoloutionary process of diesel technology.
79CEEJAY:
I pretty much agree with your assessment. If I were going to buy a new Ford diesel right now, I'd get the 7.3 and avoid the start up de-bugging. (Just my opinion.)
