No oil in engine
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No oil in engine
I took my 2003 F150 to a North Carolina ford service center for its 6000 mile oil change. They forgot to put oil in the engine and ran it for approximately 5 minutes. They said with the new engines and sythetic oils an engine can run for 50 miles with the oil drained and suffer no damage. The even charged me for the oil change. Any advice would be appreciated.
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Personally, I would demand my money back. I would voice your concern regarding the truck being run that long without oil. If they are so certian there is no harm, they should have no problem giving you an extended warranty on the motor. Make a stink if they don't.
Note: They are probably right about it not doing any harm. But there is alway that chance. I know my uncle has had the same thing happen in his shop, and nothing ever became of it, other than he gave them the oil change for free.
Note: They are probably right about it not doing any harm. But there is alway that chance. I know my uncle has had the same thing happen in his shop, and nothing ever became of it, other than he gave them the oil change for free.
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Holy smokes! That is a load of crap! I would get everything documented and figured out. That would put a lot of wear on an engine in a short time. There is the same kind of story in the oil and lubrication forum. I will see if I can find it for you. EDIT: Here it is. https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=86927 Not a very good outcome!
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-Matt
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I would of raised hell at the dealership. If I ever found out that happened to my truck, there would be mechanics flying across the shop. I do know a woman who took her husbands brand new powerstroke to get the oil changed, and they didnt put oil back in it, AT ALL. She got about 10 miles from the dealership, and..............no more stroke in that powerstroke.
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> They said with the new engines and sythetic oils an engine can run for 50
> miles with the oil drained and suffer no damage.
What a lie! An engine might not seize if it is run for a short period without oil in it, though it certainly causes a lot of wear and damage. If you do an oil sample it will surely show bearing material in the oil.
Your crank rides on a thin layer of oil, without oil it ruins the bearings and the rings. Your oil pump and pressure is there mostly for the bottom end, not the top end. Any test you do can not show the damage done to a brand new engine on the bottom end without removing the engine.
> miles with the oil drained and suffer no damage.
What a lie! An engine might not seize if it is run for a short period without oil in it, though it certainly causes a lot of wear and damage. If you do an oil sample it will surely show bearing material in the oil.
Your crank rides on a thin layer of oil, without oil it ruins the bearings and the rings. Your oil pump and pressure is there mostly for the bottom end, not the top end. Any test you do can not show the damage done to a brand new engine on the bottom end without removing the engine.
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oh crap-0-la, only way i'd walk outta there if they gave me a some kind of warrenty on the engine... and yet another reason to never let other people do oil changes on your vehicles.
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I had my 390 go about 10 minutes w/o oil pressure... it didn't "hurt" the engine
The oil pump (brand new) locked up and I drove it about 3 blocks home
I replaced the oil pump, and did an oil change, and its drove fine ever since.
I would demand they refund your money, and give you some kind of paperwork saying that if it messed up in X amount of time then they will replace it
The oil pump (brand new) locked up and I drove it about 3 blocks home
I replaced the oil pump, and did an oil change, and its drove fine ever since.
I would demand they refund your money, and give you some kind of paperwork saying that if it messed up in X amount of time then they will replace it
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That just backs up my reasons for not letting the stealers near my truck with a wrench.If they can't even do an oil change what chance is there for complicated repairs?I don't like doing an oil change in the snow in Jan.but at least I know it's done right.
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Ask them if they would warranty a vehicle brought in that "had only been run ten minutes" without oil but had seized up. Time for them to install a new engine or start meeting with your lawyer.
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An engine will run a long time without oil. It will even run once it cools down after it has siezed. Still, some damage is done. It just takes a long long(maybe 100K miles even) time in most cases for the damage to become evident. The dealer is betting that you will sell the truck before the damge shows itself. This is also where oil companies and gizmo makers come off with their guarantees of no damage for life, you will never notice.
I ran a Datsun for about 10-15 miles in the mountains before it siezed. I fixed the problem, added oil and it ran fine for another 100K, but I physically saw that some of the rod journals were scored and I am guessing the cylinders and or rings lost a lot of life from that damage. But like I said the engine ran OK for 100K after the damage was done. Most owners would never know there was a problem.
I would get the case documented, try for a refund and expect that is as good as it will get. The dealer is betting you will never notice, and you probably never will unless you tore it down and knew what to look for and knew what was normal wear for that engine.
Just my opinion.
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I ran a Datsun for about 10-15 miles in the mountains before it siezed. I fixed the problem, added oil and it ran fine for another 100K, but I physically saw that some of the rod journals were scored and I am guessing the cylinders and or rings lost a lot of life from that damage. But like I said the engine ran OK for 100K after the damage was done. Most owners would never know there was a problem.
I would get the case documented, try for a refund and expect that is as good as it will get. The dealer is betting you will never notice, and you probably never will unless you tore it down and knew what to look for and knew what was normal wear for that engine.
Just my opinion.
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My sister-in-law had a rock poke a (big) hole into the side of an oil filter while driving their newish Couger to their house. The car ran for about 20 minutes while dumping oil (so it actually only ran "dry" for maybe 5 minutes). She pulled into the driveway an my brother could hear the engine knocking from his shop. Replaced the oil filter, refilled and power washed the oil off the engine, sounded fine when it started and seemed to run OK. The engine lasted less then a year before it threw a rod. Would never own a vehicle that had been run "dry".
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They said with the new engines and sythetic oils an engine can run for 50 miles with the oil drained and suffer no damage.
BWA HA HA HA HA
to prove a point, ask the tech, the service writter, the service manger, the VP and the GM to drain the oil from their vehicles and then drive home and back to work the next morning. I doubt they drive more than 50 miles. See how many takers ya get.
And just how did they figure out that there was no oil after five minutes? I'd bet because the motor started to clatter. If they were looking at a gauge it wouldn't take five minutes.
Something about that dealer just isnt to bright. If they really believe you'd never know or no damage was done then why did they even tell you? At best they now have a dissatisfied customer who can bad mouth the shop and at worst a law suit. Who knows, if they aren't so bright maybe that will work in your favor and you can get them to sign an admission.
Sorry that happened Charly.
BWA HA HA HA HA
to prove a point, ask the tech, the service writter, the service manger, the VP and the GM to drain the oil from their vehicles and then drive home and back to work the next morning. I doubt they drive more than 50 miles. See how many takers ya get.
And just how did they figure out that there was no oil after five minutes? I'd bet because the motor started to clatter. If they were looking at a gauge it wouldn't take five minutes.
Something about that dealer just isnt to bright. If they really believe you'd never know or no damage was done then why did they even tell you? At best they now have a dissatisfied customer who can bad mouth the shop and at worst a law suit. Who knows, if they aren't so bright maybe that will work in your favor and you can get them to sign an admission.
Sorry that happened Charly.
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And just how did they figure out that there was no oil after five minutes? I'd bet because the motor started to clatter. If they were looking at a gauge it wouldn't take five minutes.
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I watched them through the window. I thought they were going to pop the hood and add oil when they jumped in and moved it to the parking lot. Like a fool I asked them if they added oil and they freaked out. No engine noise as far as I know.