Still Hard to Start
Still Hard to Start
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Still Hard to Start
1999 PSD F350
After it sits and gets cool... It is still hard to start. A small shot of ether works everytime but don't know what the deal is.
Glow plugs come on and off properly. Acts like fuel trouble. I have changed the filter since this started but no good.
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After it sits and gets cool... It is still hard to start. A small shot of ether works everytime but don't know what the deal is.
Glow plugs come on and off properly. Acts like fuel trouble. I have changed the filter since this started but no good.
Puzzled
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every engine i have seen get ether used on it for the first time has needed it almost 75% of time after that, from 6.2 gm's to international 1086 and everything inbetween, we use to joke the engine got addicted to ether
i knows it hard on cylinder walls since it washes the oil right away and low compression always makes for a hard starting "compression ignition engine"
i knows it hard on cylinder walls since it washes the oil right away and low compression always makes for a hard starting "compression ignition engine"
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[updated:LAST EDITED ON 11-Sep-02 AT 10:19 PM (EST)]doesnt the engine say right on it "that use of starting fluids can cause permannent engine damage" i know our chebbies at work do, go figure
the powerstroke when used in international trucks has an ether start aid button right on the dash, push it for a shot to start
good luck
the powerstroke when used in international trucks has an ether start aid button right on the dash, push it for a shot to start
good luck
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Check the glow plug cable with an ammeter to see if they are really coming on. They draw about 40 amps each so you should show about 320 amps on the first cycle. Just because the solenoid is cycling doesn't necessarily mean the power is going to the glow plugs (the glow plugs could be burnt out or the solenoid may not be making contact on the inside).
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When I jump the solonoid, (from onr large to the other) there is a very small spark but that's all. Shouldn't it be arcking pretty heavily? Like a starter?
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It should be obvious to even the most un-mechanically inclined that you've got a problem with your glow plug system. You've been using starting fluid by your own admission, which has probably blown the ends off the glow plugs (that is probably why you are getting a puny spark when you jump the terminals on the glow plug relay -- there is no load on the relay because the glow plugs are burnt out). If you don't want to invest in the ammeter that I talked about in post #3 to make the determination of which component(s) are bad, then why don't you just take it to your local Ford dealer and let someone fix it who knows how?
(Why do people ask for advice, then ignore it when you give it to them?)
Once you verify that the glow plug system is working properly, if it is still doing the same thing (don't use any more starting fluid once you get the glow plugs up and running), we'll talk about other causes of what could be wrong.
(Why do people ask for advice, then ignore it when you give it to them?)
Once you verify that the glow plug system is working properly, if it is still doing the same thing (don't use any more starting fluid once you get the glow plugs up and running), we'll talk about other causes of what could be wrong.
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The batteries seemed lately to be getting weak. Finally it would not turn over the other morning and i recharged it, went to have it checked out. The batteries were done. i replaced and haven't had any trouble since.
Could it be that if the batteries are not fully functional and charged that there is a mechanism designed in to keep you from killing the battery with the glowplugs in lieu of having enough juice to start the engine??
Any comments are welcome.
>1999 PSD F350
>
>After it sits and gets cool... It is still hard to start. A
>small shot of ether works everytime but don't know what the
>deal is.
>Glow plugs come on and off properly. Acts like fuel trouble.
>I have changed the filter since this started but no good.
>
>Puzzled
Could it be that if the batteries are not fully functional and charged that there is a mechanism designed in to keep you from killing the battery with the glowplugs in lieu of having enough juice to start the engine??
Any comments are welcome.
>1999 PSD F350
>
>After it sits and gets cool... It is still hard to start. A
>small shot of ether works everytime but don't know what the
>deal is.
>Glow plugs come on and off properly. Acts like fuel trouble.
>I have changed the filter since this started but no good.
>
>Puzzled
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From: Racine WI
Still Hard to Start
i dont think they have any rundown protection, but your right to start a diesel you must be able to spin the engine fairly fast to get it to catch, older big diesels had a smaller gasoline "pony motor" to start the big diesel since they were such a bear to start
Long before turbos and heui
Long before turbos and heui
