Thanks for setting me straight MJD. My 02 F-250 has the Dana 60 and a mistake on my part for assuming the earlier ones did as well. thanks for the info though.

Now about the dodge trucks being junk, hey they really can't be all that bad cause people still keep buying them. I think that is what many people are going by when they say ford is better. Ex. There are dodge guys who will buy dodges because they believe or have had the experience with them that leads them to believe the trucks are bulletproof, Ford guys do the same thing. Now the fact that Ford handily outsells dodge, even in the light-medium duty diesel market, leads even nuetral parties to deduce that Fords are better. I don't really know which is better. I do know which one I like better. I have never thought the dodges looked as sharp, and also the few dodges I have driven didn't ride very great either. I have no factual information to suggest that they are inferior to ford, rather they are less appealing than ford at least to me. The cummins is a strong motor, but not enough in my book to make me consider dodge. The 7.3 PSD are just as bulletproof as the cummins and thats good enough for me. I'm not really concerned with the 6.0 cause it will be several years before I even consider a new truck again and If they havn't fixed them by then, I don't want one anyway. Thanks Good luck guys.

 

Those reasons are understandable. I disagree about the 7.3 PSD vs. Cummins thing, but no need to start another one of those arguments. I think that the looks and the cab configuration of the Ford is very nice, and it has probably had the highest quality body for a long time. Also, I like the 4X4 system and the 5 speed auto that the Ford has. I think that the 6.0 Powerstroke will be the best Ford diesel yet, once the problems are fixed.

 

Sorry about that MJD I get carried away to much. Just some observations Ive heard from some friends of mine who have had dodge pickups. It seems like the quality of these pickups is inconsistent. Some of these pickups just seem to fall apart and some are alright you never can tell just incosistent. Sorry for such a brash statement there.

 

I think Dodges are junk. The opinion that they are not isn't worth anymore than my opinion that they are, and I'd like to see proof that they aren't junk. They have no market, by the way. There's a reason why they had to MAJORLY update their diesel, introduce an entire new line of gas engines, get a new transmission and start offering a HUGE warranty, they know their trucks are going to come apart, and people won't buy them new without that big ol` warranty, but then again, most people don't buy them anyway. Dodges are complete and total crap, 90% of them will ***-apart in the first 100,000 miles, they have no resale value, they have no return customers, because they HAVE NOTHING TO OFFER. This is why they aren't a major competitor in the truck market. Dodge has a good marketing team, but I haven't seen it backed up yet. As for their new transmission being the strongest ever, please, pass me what you are smoking. I have personally seen three of them in the last two weeks back in for warranty rebuilds at the local Dodge dealer. Dodges are crap, and anyone that says otherwise, well, buddy, that's your opinion, and mine carries just as much weight as yours. You have no proof either way, I can prove that the majority of consumers don't want Dodge, not even with a Hemi or a Cummins with the strongest transmission ever and the best warranty ever. Please, if Dodge honestly had the best engine, the best transmission, the best drivetrain and the best warranty, they'd be outselling Ford. At least Chevrolet.

 

Why are you so bent, I already told you it was a JOKE.

GET OVER IT!!!!

 

It was a JOKE.

GET OVER IT!!!!

 

<A typical useless, unintellignet post made by> Fordlariat. You play with the facts to make it sound like Dodge is so bad, but ignore any factual evidence to prove otherwise. Nowhere in that post did you mention why Dodge pickups are junk, except that Ford outsells them (the Dodge sales are creeping up on Ford, its a fact). I have of yet to see that Dodge has the lowest customer loyalty of the three brands, and if it is documented anywhere, it could have been determined by how many people who bought a new vehicle traded in the same brand vehicle for it, which can be decieving. Ford has made more engine changes (diesel & gas) in their history than Dodge ever has, so you are making no point in saying that Dodge changed their engine design. Jeez, I can think of more LEGITIMATE reasons not to buy a Dodge than you, but I still see it as being at least as good as a Ford.

 

How about givinig us some "factual" evidence that dodge is better than ford.......... oh yeah that's right, you can't, because there is no factual evidence that dodge is better than ford......unintelligent.....at least he was smart enough to buy a ford.......

 

Which is better does not concern me right now, I was just getting annoyed by people calling Dodge pickups junk. I would like to hear some reasons why Dodge pickups are such a piece of junk and Ford pickups are so much better. If you can make a sensible list of reasons why a Dodge is junk (I doubt that you can), which does not include that Ford sells better, then feel free to.

 

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I can appreciate your Ford loyalty Syntheglass, but you are in the COMPETITION FORUM - which means you are bound to see a few things posted from non biased owners which you may not agree with. MJD is a respected poster. I have much respect for his opinions, as they seem real to me. You say his opinion is unintelligent? I'd say your RUDE-and I'd be RIGHT. MJD seems to be more intelligent than most posters around here IMO - of course I would not say names or infer this insult upon anyone. Ford man or not - your manners need an update. I have not seen him post even ONE thread of BS - which is much more than I can say for many.

What MJD asks for is reasonable. Evidence. Plain and simple. If you are going to make the bold kind of comments that FordLariat has made, you are bound to have someone or other call you on the matter. Lariat makes a few points every now and again himself, but those points need to be seperated from the purely emotional tantrums he's had. In fact, emotional tantrums seem to be the norm with most biased posters. They cannot come up with any convincing arguements to support their outlandish views, and thus become even more emotional - lashing out, and then burying their heads in the sand
when someone posts something they don't want to hear. I can understand believing in Ford. I can see supporting them, and liking Ford trucks most for whatever reason, but to also say that the competition is nothing but pure garbage - just because - is outlandish. This is an insult to any reasonably objective mind.

Here are a few quick facts for you. Concerning Dodge and Ford as of now.

......................Dodge....................... .............................Ford............
1.) Frame; Boxed and fully hydroformed frame....................No..............
2.)Brakes; 13.9" rotors............................................ .12.8" rotors.......
3.)Axle cap 4,750lbs (front 2wd).................................3,800lbs(fron t 2wd)
4.)Axle cap 5,200lbs (front 4x4)..................................5,000lbs(fro nt 4x4)
5.)Axle cap 10,500lbs(rear gas eng).............................10,300lbs(rear gas)
6.)Axle cap 13,500lbs(rear diesel)................................10,500lbs(r ear diesel

These are published facts, and they concern only the chassis. They do not address all the variables regarding payload, or GCWR. But as you can see, Dodge's components are rated heavier - some very significantly. Now theres the Cummins diesel. Ford has never had an equivalent engine IMO.
Inline's are extremely tough engines. This engine has only 60% as many moving parts as a PSD, and only 50% as many accessories. It has larger stronger components, which are made from better quality materials.
The connecting rods tell the whole story. They are nearly twice the size of those found in any PSD engine. Being an inline six cylinder addresses the reason for this, but it does not address the reason as to why the Cummins rods are manufactured from forged steel, while the PSD's are made from sintered powdered metal. Like it or not, this engine has been around as long as it has for a reason - it's the best diesel there has ever been in a pickup.

What better way to complement a simple engine, than by teaming it with a simple transmission? One which uses cast iron just like the Cummins does.
Gear oil - no ATF or fancy electronic cooling devices - and all the complication which goes with it. The NV-5600 is nearly twice the weight of the ZF 6 speed. It uses a 13" clutch rather than the ZF's 12". Has a higher
Torque rating as well. No doubt much of this weight is due to the use of cast iron as opposed to cast aluminum. I'll take iron thank you. These transmissions are nearly identical in size, and have almost the same ratio's, but the NV5600 has larger components - especially the gears themselves.
Very similar to rear axles. You can have two rear axles geared to 3.73:1.
Only one has an 8" ring gear while the other has a 10.5" ring gear. Which one is going to handle more torque input, and better handle the stress of heavy loads? It's the same thing when you honestly compare these two transmissions.

Speaking of rear axles, all Ford SRW trucks use the Sterling 10.25" full floater-this is true of diesels and gassers. The HEMI Ram 2500 gets a 10.50" full floater, and the Cummins gets an 11.50" full floater. Hmmm..seems like Dodge's typical skimpyness to me........

I can bring up almost as many things that I like about Ford. But I'm not going to bother. It would obscure the point I'm trying to make here. So go ahead and stick your heads in the sand, or start accusing me of blasphemy - but here are those facts you were looking for - facts which show, that in at
least some ways - yes, Dodge is better. (Oh, and the same can be said of GM as well - but that's another post)

 

i'll admit that my knowledge of dodge is limited, and maybe MJD is a respected poster, and maybe we are in the COMPETITION FORUM.......so when you make a post, expect competition.......that's what i offer, not rudeness........as for you sinister you are the first person to actually post some good things about dodge.....gratz for staying on the subject!!!!

 

All I can say I have a 03 f150 4.6 supercab and I had a 02 Dodge 4.7?,
the Dodge gave me zero problems..zero. And could eat fords all day. The Fords could not even get close to me. The Dodge was stock, it did have posi. 3 something gear. The low end torque was much better than my Ford. Ford is like a freight train it take awhile for it to get moving...The Fod has some things that are driving me nuts...like the bucket seats squeak and you have to hit the dash to get disc one to work. Plus I have to say Dodge get the looks all day with the 20 inch rims. The Dodge was a better truck...so why did I get a Ford ? I needed a supercab for the kids and I had a saleman living next to me...

ps. I am not a redneck or something..I used to restore cars...so I do have the brains on cars. Many of years under cars. Oh, I went to the Car Show and I feel inlove with a yellow Dodge with a Hemi. It had the old stripes like the old Super Bee....

 

Syntheglass, I see that part of my post was edited, and thus your post looked worse than meant. Excuse me for that.

sinister73 and hendrix89 both make some very good points in their posts, and sinister made a great comparison. I was also hoping to hear some things from a few posters who commonly bash Dodge.

 

all I can say is "isn't competition great"...I'm glad Dodge does what they do, I'm glad Chevy does what they do. I think it will be interesting to see what comes of the new Titan...

Ford gets better with competition, so do the rest.

 

Chevysniper my thoughts exactly. MJD no dodge bashing tonight. Im bashed out. Your in the clear.