Ford or Dodge
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From: FLA
Originally Posted by cjr
I have a friend who tode me that cummins is a better diesel engine then the 6.0, For the following reasons
1. Cummins has been around a long time.
2. Cummins has less moving parts then the 6.0.
3. He said that the 6.0 was a gas engine convert to the diesel engine.
Any help on this comments.
1. Cummins has been around a long time.
2. Cummins has less moving parts then the 6.0.
3. He said that the 6.0 was a gas engine convert to the diesel engine.
Any help on this comments.
2. True
3. False
4. Two words - Dodge transmissions
I was told by a friend that he was instructed to not by a Dodge until they fix their tranny's by a Dodge mechanic. He was told they only get about 50K out of the tranny. Heresay but worth looking into before you decide. You can take a look at this also for another opinion. http://autorepair.about.com/library/faqs/bl789h.htm
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Originally Posted by purplewg
1. True
2. True
3. False
4. Two words - Dodge transmissions
I was told by a friend that he was instructed to not by a Dodge until they fix their tranny's by a Dodge mechanic. He was told they only get about 50K out of the tranny. Heresay but worth looking into before you decide. You can take a look at this also for another opinion. http://autorepair.about.com/library/faqs/bl789h.htm
2. True
3. False
4. Two words - Dodge transmissions
I was told by a friend that he was instructed to not by a Dodge until they fix their tranny's by a Dodge mechanic. He was told they only get about 50K out of the tranny. Heresay but worth looking into before you decide. You can take a look at this also for another opinion. http://autorepair.about.com/library/faqs/bl789h.htm
Two words - manual transmission. Dodge has the best one going.
That owner made a good point - his questions were viable. The answer guy seemed to be skirting the issue at first with his own interpretation of what makes an 03/04 engine, and saying since both are covered by warranty that there is no difference. The fact is there is a difference - one was built in 03, the other in 04. Since we all know the 03's have the worse reputation of the two - it's a significant difference. Warranty's are supposed to be a type of insurance in case something goes wrong, no one wants to buy a known problem just because it's new and has a warranty. But even after dancing around the question a bit he at least admited ' I don't have the answers for you' - in other words, "everything I've said thus far is complete BS".
I'd be very wary of 05' PSD engines if Ford does decide to up the numbers to get one up on Dodge and GM before getting this motor completely worked out. Ford must meet emissions with all new power upgrades. This could be 2003 all over again. But of course there will still be those who say, " But it's a new product, and it's bound to have a few issues".
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Yeah, everybody keeps bashing Dodge trucks. Funny thing is...Dodge has the best diesel engine on the market (if I must back that up with facts to satisfy you PSD guys I will), they have the strongest tranny on the market (NV 5600), and I am beginning to think they even have a more solid truck with the Dana axles and all.
It's worth noting that the '05 Superduty reportedly is going to be designed like the Dodge with the heavier Dana 60s. And I've also read that a new PSD is already in the works. A replacement for the junky 6.0L already maybe?? Just some food for thought. Looks like Dodge has had the right ideas all along and now it's about to pay off for them.
It's worth noting that the '05 Superduty reportedly is going to be designed like the Dodge with the heavier Dana 60s. And I've also read that a new PSD is already in the works. A replacement for the junky 6.0L already maybe?? Just some food for thought. Looks like Dodge has had the right ideas all along and now it's about to pay off for them.
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Originally Posted by WXboy
Yeah, everybody keeps bashing Dodge trucks. Funny thing is...Dodge has the best diesel engine on the market (if I must back that up with facts to satisfy you PSD guys I will), they have the strongest tranny on the market (NV 5600), and I am beginning to think they even have a more solid truck with the Dana axles and all.
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From: Abilene TX
Originally Posted by hp&trq
Keep laughing....
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...2003134229.pdf
How do truck people not know about other manufactures engines, do you live in a submarine and never come up for air.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...2003134229.pdf
How do truck people not know about other manufactures engines, do you live in a submarine and never come up for air.
By the way I don't know anything about "Ricer Car" engines, but I do know that the modern day nuclear submarines actually do not have to surface for air at all. They produce their own. So you see it is quiet possible that you are correct>>>>
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From: Abilene TX
Originally Posted by WXboy
Yeah, everybody keeps bashing Dodge trucks. Funny thing is...Dodge has the best diesel engine on the market (if I must back that up with facts to satisfy you PSD guys I will), they have the strongest tranny on the market (NV 5600), and I am beginning to think they even have a more solid truck with the Dana axles and all.
It's worth noting that the '05 Superduty reportedly is going to be designed like the Dodge with the heavier Dana 60s. And I've also read that a new PSD is already in the works. A replacement for the junky 6.0L already maybe?? Just some food for thought. Looks like Dodge has had the right ideas all along and now it's about to pay off for them.
It's worth noting that the '05 Superduty reportedly is going to be designed like the Dodge with the heavier Dana 60s. And I've also read that a new PSD is already in the works. A replacement for the junky 6.0L already maybe?? Just some food for thought. Looks like Dodge has had the right ideas all along and now it's about to pay off for them.
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Hey bigdieselsave I agree with you totally. Cummins or nocummins no dodge for me either. As far as the 6.0 junky another bunch of BS. Only thing junky about it is the computer junk they have around it. As far as dodge is concerned everything behind the engine is junk. If cummins ever leaves dodge there truck market is up in smoke. As matter of fact the hemi aura is fading fast and what else do you have nothing the rest of the truck is junk. Give up dodge its over.
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From: South Dakota
Originally Posted by bigdieseldav
To my knowledge ford has been using the Dana 60's in the superduties since 99. I think what you are refering to is that they may indeed be going to a coil sprung suspension. I'm guessing to be able to compete with the dodge where turning radius is concerned. Dodges will turn on a dime. Fords won't. I still wouldn't drive a dodge laramie 4x4 4dr dually if you gave it to me though, with or without a cummins.
Dodge pickups are not junk. There is no factual evidence to back that up, besides the opinions of a bunch of diehard Ford guys. The automatic transmissions are new, so it will be a while before anyone knows how good they are. Engines aside, I really want to know some intelligent reasons why Dodge pickups are so bad and Ford pickups are so much better.
