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85351ho, Sounds like the reason you got stuck isn't due to tire size but driver skill. Don't get me wrong, you cant use Austin Mini with success off-road but 44 inch swampers are not nessasary. I think a mud tire size between 31 and 33 inch is perfect for a typical Bronco sized truck (no lift). Go any larger and axle breakage becomes an huge issue. Center of gravity is too high. And even with a gear change the larger tire takes much more power to turn reducing fuel mileage and net power to the ground.
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Originally Posted by ClatonK
85351ho, Sounds like the reason you got stuck isn't due to tire size but driver skill. Don't get me wrong, you cant use Austin Mini with success off-road but 44 inch swampers are not nessasary. I think a mud tire size between 31 and 33 inch is perfect for a typical Bronco sized truck (no lift). Go any larger and axle breakage becomes an huge issue. Center of gravity is too high. And even with a gear change the larger tire takes much more power to turn reducing fuel mileage and net power to the ground.
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o.k alright boys. I see that ho has got a sweet truck, but claytonk does have a point. Ho doesn't need 44" Swampers to get the job done, heck I think 39's would be perfect. It looks like he mud bogs, am I correct? So really all he needs is a good set of tall tires and lots of wheel spin. 
I know that most people like 44's for the look and well if you were looking for performance only chances are that a smaller tire would be better because you wouldn't use so much of that "600 hp" to do it. 600 hp? That's a load of crap. A 533 Big Block only made around 540! So I guess I don't believe your numbers.
I think the best mods to do if your not doing a lift are locker in the front, good mud tires and engine mods.
I know that most people like 44's for the look and well if you were looking for performance only chances are that a smaller tire would be better because you wouldn't use so much of that "600 hp" to do it. 600 hp? That's a load of crap. A 533 Big Block only made around 540! So I guess I don't believe your numbers.
I think the best mods to do if your not doing a lift are locker in the front, good mud tires and engine mods.
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different strokes for different folks! I'll wave to you from the pass seat when we blow by you in the mud hole and you are stuck cause your tires are too small to clear the ruts! Hell i'll do it in my truck! 
i could care less if you believe me or not....i helped him build the hell outta that motor!
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Originally Posted by moose94
600 hp? That's a load of crap. A 533 Big Block only made around 540! So I guess I don't believe your numbers.
-jason-
Last edited by fishmanndotcom; Apr 1, 2004 at 11:40 AM.
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Am I missing something here?? But has anyone mentioned a Locker and some bigger mud tires???
I think we're overkilling the obvious here. If you don't want to lift, these 2 items that were mentioned 72 times is about all you really need for mild off road use, which I think is what your doing with the camping and fishing/family stuff.
But be forewarned!!!!!! Off roading is freagin' addictive man, so don't dis a liftkit yet. Your next post may be "What is the best lift kit for my truck". I wouldn't be surprised.
Tom
I think we're overkilling the obvious here. If you don't want to lift, these 2 items that were mentioned 72 times is about all you really need for mild off road use, which I think is what your doing with the camping and fishing/family stuff.
But be forewarned!!!!!! Off roading is freagin' addictive man, so don't dis a liftkit yet. Your next post may be "What is the best lift kit for my truck". I wouldn't be surprised.
Tom
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Wow. There is sure a bunch of smack talk being thrown around.
First off, a friggin small block can be build to over 800hp, so why in the hells would you think somebody couldn't build a 460 to 600 hp? The 533 big block only making 540 hp comment I think came from the recent stroker build one of those 4x4 mags did...I read the article, their component match was a joke. Mine is only built to a 513 and I make 618 on the dyno. C'mon man, think about it. Its all about how its built.
Secondly, if you have the power to move 44's, and the drivetrain to survive 44's, a rig so equiped will whoop the holy living hell in deep mud out of the other guy who has 39's. It would in fact, be a friggin joke. There is simply no comparison. I don't think anything else needs said.
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I mentioned that in the very first reply to this thread, Tom 
First off, a friggin small block can be build to over 800hp, so why in the hells would you think somebody couldn't build a 460 to 600 hp? The 533 big block only making 540 hp comment I think came from the recent stroker build one of those 4x4 mags did...I read the article, their component match was a joke. Mine is only built to a 513 and I make 618 on the dyno. C'mon man, think about it. Its all about how its built.
Secondly, if you have the power to move 44's, and the drivetrain to survive 44's, a rig so equiped will whoop the holy living hell in deep mud out of the other guy who has 39's. It would in fact, be a friggin joke. There is simply no comparison. I don't think anything else needs said.
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Originally Posted by Busa01
Am I missing something here?? But has anyone mentioned a Locker and some bigger mud tires???Tom
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Originally Posted by bigredneck61088
my family does alot of camping and huntin so i will have to deal with a little bit of mud and alot of trails, some small rocks here and there, and snow in the winter
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Originally Posted by fishmanndotcom
Ho and I both run 6" of lift and he has 44' and I run 39.5's.
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Also, I've seen some jeeps get stuck FLOATING on top of mud with their 44's and all 4 tires just spinning freely on top of the mud. The tires were so fat, they were like innertubes. I couldn't believe he could get stuck like that. Other trucks were passing right by him with 35's no problem, including myself with my 2X4. I've never seen that before, it was hilarious. I guess he didn't have enough weight to sink him under the mud to get traction. He looked like a paddle boat.
Tom
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Geez, and I'm usually the one teasing guys for missing obvious sarcasm...sigh, oh well. Bit by my own bullet
Yea, I could see a really light jeep with wide 44" (Boggers?) not getting enough bite as compared to another tire choice with the same rig in certain types of mud. Especially if he didn't have enough motor to use them properly, which 80% of the guys with 44s don't. Building a wheeler is just like building an engine, everything has to be matched and work well together for its intended use.
For some reason, I don't ever have a problem with too much floatation. Might have something to do with weighing in a 6k
Yea, I could see a really light jeep with wide 44" (Boggers?) not getting enough bite as compared to another tire choice with the same rig in certain types of mud. Especially if he didn't have enough motor to use them properly, which 80% of the guys with 44s don't. Building a wheeler is just like building an engine, everything has to be matched and work well together for its intended use.
For some reason, I don't ever have a problem with too much floatation. Might have something to do with weighing in a 6k
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I just posted a picture of the guy being stuck above your post.
My truck doesn't have the power to push anything over a 35 I think, at least not with the 4.10's. Perhaps if I dropped to 4.56's. But my puny little 4.2 (although very capable) is certainly no monster at 250 horsepower modified. Plus, put simply, I couldn't afford any tire over 35" anyway
Tom
My truck doesn't have the power to push anything over a 35 I think, at least not with the 4.10's. Perhaps if I dropped to 4.56's. But my puny little 4.2 (although very capable) is certainly no monster at 250 horsepower modified. Plus, put simply, I couldn't afford any tire over 35" anyway
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Originally Posted by ClatonK
85351ho, Sounds like the reason you got stuck isn't due to tire size but driver skill. Don't get me wrong, you cant use Austin Mini with success off-road but 44 inch swampers are not nessasary. I think a mud tire size between 31 and 33 inch is perfect for a typical Bronco sized truck (no lift). Go any larger and axle breakage becomes an huge issue. Center of gravity is too high. And even with a gear change the larger tire takes much more power to turn reducing fuel mileage and net power to the ground.
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so your telling me i cant drive...and i need to sell my 44's and run a 33 mud terrain to do better off road? you dont even know me...
i guess clearance under your axles means nothing off road?
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Originally Posted by Busa01
Hmmm, my Fabtech 7.5" lift says not to run anything bigger than 35's. Please view my gallery and take a look at my truck. There are only 33's on their now. Please tell me how I can squeeze 44's on there without wacking suspension components and so forth.
Ho...he means that at CalROCS they are changing the rules so that everyone has to run 31's instead of 37's or larger so that they all have to be pulled off the obstacle! He is also implying that slammed trucks can flex out more and hit deeper mud than Grave Digger or BigFoot! DUUUUUUUHHHHHHHH!
-Jason-
Last edited by fishmanndotcom; Apr 1, 2004 at 10:41 PM.