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Originally posted by BlueRanger94
Come on.... there is no way to really know anything about Walmart oil since they publish no information about it.
Come on.... there is no way to really know anything about Walmart oil since they publish no information about it.
I also know that the ST oils in Texas and 10 surrounding states are made by Shell at its plant in Houston. I also know that the ST recipe is the same recipe used for all the other comparable oils made at the plant. This information was posted by someone who works at the plant and has seen (with his own eyes) ST bottles running down the line, and confirmed the recipe with plant chemists.
So yes, I (and you) really do know something about ST oils.
Last edited by jschira; Mar 24, 2004 at 06:19 AM.
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Originally posted by jschira
I also know that the ST recipe is the same recipe used for all the other comparable oils made at the plant.
I also know that the ST recipe is the same recipe used for all the other comparable oils made at the plant.
So spending a few cents more could get you a little more protection.
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Originally posted by BlueRanger94
I think the statement above proves my original point. The words "comparable oils" mean that there are different levels of oils produced.
I think the statement above proves my original point. The words "comparable oils" mean that there are different levels of oils produced.
You can't compare a 10w-30 to a 20w-50 for any brand of oil. The base oils/additive packages will be different.
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No, I mean 10W30 versus 10W30.
Your original statement implies that they produce different levels of oils within each grade. As in all the level one 10W30’s get a mix and all level two 10W30’s get another mix.
If you meant that all 10W30's get the same mix I am sure you would have said that, so the above is how I interpret what you said.
Your original statement implies that they produce different levels of oils within each grade. As in all the level one 10W30’s get a mix and all level two 10W30’s get another mix.
If you meant that all 10W30's get the same mix I am sure you would have said that, so the above is how I interpret what you said.
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OK, I meant what you think that I mean, not what I think that I meant.
Let your imagination run wild.
You are also in denial/anger, which is typical in people the first time that they find out they have been paying too much for "premium" oil.
1. Denial.
2. Anger.
3. Acceptance.
You need to move on.
Let your imagination run wild.
You are also in denial/anger, which is typical in people the first time that they find out they have been paying too much for "premium" oil.
1. Denial.
2. Anger.
3. Acceptance.
You need to move on.
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You are correct that Wally does not publish anything...
Perhaps it's because if Walmart did publish technical specifications for their SuperTech oil then the oil would legally have to consistantly meet those specs.
So Walmart expects customers to buy SuperTech to protect their very expensive engines but they refuse to publish any information on the oil.
That says all I need to know about Walmart/SuperTech.
Manufacturers of quality products publish this information.
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Originally posted by jschira
OK, I meant what you think that I mean, not what I think that I meant.
Let your imagination run wild.
You are also in denial/anger, which is typical in people the first time that they find out they have been paying too much for "premium" oil.
1. Denial.
2. Anger.
3. Acceptance.
You need to move on.
OK, I meant what you think that I mean, not what I think that I meant.
Let your imagination run wild.
You are also in denial/anger, which is typical in people the first time that they find out they have been paying too much for "premium" oil.
1. Denial.
2. Anger.
3. Acceptance.
You need to move on.
You feel you have the only answer.
Last edited by BlueRanger94; Mar 24, 2004 at 08:21 PM.
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Originally posted by towboat
I wonder why...
Perhaps it's because if Walmart did publish technical specifications for their SuperTech oil then the oil would legally have to consistantly meet those specs.
So Walmart expects customers to buy SuperTech to protect their very expensive engines but they refuse to publish any information on the oil.
That says all I need to know about Walmart/SuperTech.
Manufacturers of quality products publish this information.
I wonder why...
Perhaps it's because if Walmart did publish technical specifications for their SuperTech oil then the oil would legally have to consistantly meet those specs.
So Walmart expects customers to buy SuperTech to protect their very expensive engines but they refuse to publish any information on the oil.
That says all I need to know about Walmart/SuperTech.
Manufacturers of quality products publish this information.
To use an analogy, I don't recall ever seeing Sears publish the minimum specs of its Craftsman line of tools, which are similalry made and provided by 3rd party tool makers who essentially bid for the right to have Sears put the Craftsman name on them and sell them in the Sears store chain.
P.S. Lets keep this thread on track guys, no more comments directed at anyone personally...
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Here's a better example.
Ford's Motorcraft oil is manufactured by an outside company for Ford. Go to www.motorcraft.com and you can read the specs for each weight of motor oil that they offer. The information is quick and easy to find even though the oil is from an outside supplier.
Quality companies tell you what you are buying, with SuperTech it looks like you just have to trust them...
The engineers at Ford that designed your truck's engine define performance specs that oil must meet (example: WSS-M2C153-H for the 5w20 gas engine oil) so there is no doubt when buying Motorcraft it meets those standards.
Ford's Motorcraft oil is manufactured by an outside company for Ford. Go to www.motorcraft.com and you can read the specs for each weight of motor oil that they offer. The information is quick and easy to find even though the oil is from an outside supplier.
Quality companies tell you what you are buying, with SuperTech it looks like you just have to trust them...
The engineers at Ford that designed your truck's engine define performance specs that oil must meet (example: WSS-M2C153-H for the 5w20 gas engine oil) so there is no doubt when buying Motorcraft it meets those standards.
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From: Mansfield, TX USA
Originally Posted by Rockledge
P.S. Lets keep this thread on track guys, no more comments directed at anyone personally...
As far as oil recommendations go, you need to use what makes you feel comfortable. If you are a brand name buyer, stick with a brand name. They are all pretty good, and you will not go wrong with any of them. Wait for someone to have a sale and stock up. PepBoys has QuakerState for $0.79/qt. with mail-in rebate. Valvoline is $0.89/qt. with rebate.
Personally, I use ST in my gassers. I have a Wally Grocery Store right down the street and my wife can pick up 5 qts. when she does her grocery shopping. No need to make a special trip or keep a large stockpile laying around. Always there when I want it. Always $0.84/qt.
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Originally Posted by towboat
Here's a better example.
Ford's Motorcraft oil is manufactured by an outside company for Ford. Go to www.motorcraft.com and you can read the specs for each weight of motor oil that they offer. The information is quick and easy to find even though the oil is from an outside supplier.
Quality companies tell you what you are buying, with SuperTech it looks like you just have to trust them...
The engineers at Ford that designed your truck's engine define performance specs that oil must meet (example: WSS-M2C153-H for the 5w20 gas engine oil) so there is no doubt when buying Motorcraft it meets those standards.
Ford's Motorcraft oil is manufactured by an outside company for Ford. Go to www.motorcraft.com and you can read the specs for each weight of motor oil that they offer. The information is quick and easy to find even though the oil is from an outside supplier.
Quality companies tell you what you are buying, with SuperTech it looks like you just have to trust them...
The engineers at Ford that designed your truck's engine define performance specs that oil must meet (example: WSS-M2C153-H for the 5w20 gas engine oil) so there is no doubt when buying Motorcraft it meets those standards.
Ford is a manufacturer of vehicles which absolutely require motor oil and other fluids to function properly and last a reasonable amount of time. Ford's fortunes are so much more dependent upon oil quality and standards then Walmart's are. Ford spends big dough on R & D with respect to motor oil for a reason. The fact that Ford's own engineers design the specs for motor oil, extensively test the motor oil, and ultimatley bless the motor oil for use in Ford vehicles pretty much puts it in perspective. If Ford wasn't getting their oil from a 3rd party provider (which I assume to be true), then Ford would be refining it and blending it themselves out of necessity.
Recall that you've never seen any brand except Motorcraft on the shelf when you go to your local Ford Dealership. But when you go to Walmart, there are at least a dozen different brands to choose from. That's another good indication of the differences between how the two companies view the role of motor oil in their overall business plans.
I'm not defending Walmart here, just trying to express a point.
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Originally Posted by Rockledge
Recall that you've never seen any brand except Motorcraft on the shelf when you go to your local Ford Dealership.
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Originally Posted by TallPaul
FWIW: Last Sept I got a coupon flyer from my local Ford dealer (Village Ford, Dearborn MI). Their "best" oil change offer was listed as "Valvoline Semi-Synthetic DuraBlend." Now if the Ford dealer (and these flyers probably were developed by the Ford Motor Co for dealer use) says Valvoline Durablend is best then it must be as good or better than Motorcraft oil. So I wonder if the coupon flyer a sort of endorsement by Ford of Valvoline Durablend?
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Some of you are giving far too much credit the "chemists" at the oil/engine companies. Engine companies just set performance specs, what the oil has to do. Engine companies do not specify the quality of the base oil or the additive package.
As far as the oil companies go, the following was posted by someone with decades of experience in the oil industry, including several years spent as a motor oil blender:
The only significant difference between motor oils is the label on the bottle.
As far as the oil companies go, the following was posted by someone with decades of experience in the oil industry, including several years spent as a motor oil blender:
Just in case you are not aware of lubrizols part in the industry - they manufacture most of the additive used by most of the lube industry in the world. There is SOME proprietary chemistry in the odd motor oil, but for the most part, the OEMs dictate a new need, the industry tries to modify its formulations to meet it, and lubrizol is right in the thick of all of the science and chemistry. When there is a new spec, lubrizol has to make a slightly different version of the additive package to suit the different base oil charactaristics of the very few refineries that actually make the base oil stocks, and the brand owners just buy the package from lubrizol, blend it with their base oil and a viscosity modifier (more often from Shells selection) and slap their name on it.
Most (not all) of the big brand names that you see on the shelf just buy the stuff from lubrizol and do a cake mix thing to blend up their product, the bulk of the actual science goes on at lubrizol.
Most (not all) of the big brand names that you see on the shelf just buy the stuff from lubrizol and do a cake mix thing to blend up their product, the bulk of the actual science goes on at lubrizol.
Last edited by jschira; Mar 25, 2004 at 12:40 PM.