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Originally posted by jimandmandy
jschira,
Excellent post. That is one reason why I buy Chevron. They make base oil and additives in-house, so I am getting the best chemistry for the money. Check out the Chevron Oronite website for lots of information about additive packages. I can just buy base oil and additives, blend and bottle, and call it "Jimzoil".
jschira,
Excellent post. That is one reason why I buy Chevron. They make base oil and additives in-house, so I am getting the best chemistry for the money. Check out the Chevron Oronite website for lots of information about additive packages. I can just buy base oil and additives, blend and bottle, and call it "Jimzoil".
I'd like to know where he lives!
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Originally posted by jschira
But if they pass API certification, aren't they "Good Enough"?
Dumping extra additives in the mix that I'll never use and will never do me any good, then charging me Mega-$$ for them? Why should I pay?
But if they pass API certification, aren't they "Good Enough"?
Dumping extra additives in the mix that I'll never use and will never do me any good, then charging me Mega-$$ for them? Why should I pay?
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Originally posted by BlueRanger94
An example would be Maxlife. It has extra detergents and seal conditioners to prevent leaks.
An example would be Maxlife. It has extra detergents and seal conditioners to prevent leaks.
Actually, diesel-rated oil, CH-4 or higher, has higher detergents, anti-foam and more ZDDP than SL-rated gasser oil. I can still buy it for less that $1/qt. No friction modifiers either, so it does not thin out at higher temps.
So if you want to spend more money to get more additives, buy a generic 15w-40 diesel oil instead of a brand name 10w-30 gasser oil.
Last edited by jschira; Mar 22, 2004 at 09:13 PM.
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I have confidence that the name brands will deliver the protection and engine life expected of them. I do not have this confidence in oil that costs less than a bottle of coke from a vending machine. Just because brand x meets the API requirements does not mean that it performs equal to API brand Y.
I do somewhat agree with you though.
I do somewhat agree with you though.
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Originally posted by jimandmandy
...I can just buy base oil and additives, blend and bottle, and call it "Jimzoil"....
...I can just buy base oil and additives, blend and bottle, and call it "Jimzoil"....
But can you do that? Just throw some base oil in a pot, dump in an additive package, stir it up with a stick, and then it's ready to go into the crankcase?
There is no special mixing process?
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Blending my own oil, now THAT would be paranoid.
The Group 3's can't stand the thought that someone else MIGHT have a better oil in their engine and are thinking of blending their own!
Meanwhile the Group 4's are loosing sleep thinking of a way to save an extra 10 cents per quart, while preaching it's all the same except for the label.
A shrink would have a field day around here!
They trust Ford Motor Company enough to give them $30,000 for a truck but not enough to give them $1.80 for a quart of oil.
Relax, Life's too short.
Last edited by towboat; Mar 23, 2004 at 05:57 AM.
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Originally posted by towboat
Relax, Life's too short.
Relax, Life's too short.
What gets me tense is people telling me that I am treating my engine like crap. That only a name brand oil is good enough. Etc. Etc.
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Originally posted by BlueRanger94
I do not have this confidence in oil that costs less than a bottle of coke from a vending machine. Just because brand x meets the API requirements does not mean that it performs equal to API brand Y.
I do not have this confidence in oil that costs less than a bottle of coke from a vending machine. Just because brand x meets the API requirements does not mean that it performs equal to API brand Y.
As far as performance goes, you can say the same for gas. Without a doubt, 93 octane premium gas is "better" than 87 octane regular gas. But so what? Most engine computers can't tell the difference. So why pay for performance that you don't use?
And BTW, that extra $0.20 you pay at the pump is probably only $0.05 wholesale, so your local corner gas station gets a 400% markup.
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Originally posted by jschira
Price is what the market dictates. If putting a brand name oil in your engine lets you sleep at night, then it is money well-spent.
As far as performance goes, you can say the same for gas. Without a doubt, 93 octane premium gas is "better" than 87 octane regular gas. But so what? Most engine computers can't tell the difference. So why pay for performance that you don't use?
And BTW, that extra $0.20 you pay at the pump is probably only $0.05 wholesale, so your local corner gas station gets a 400% markup.
Price is what the market dictates. If putting a brand name oil in your engine lets you sleep at night, then it is money well-spent.
As far as performance goes, you can say the same for gas. Without a doubt, 93 octane premium gas is "better" than 87 octane regular gas. But so what? Most engine computers can't tell the difference. So why pay for performance that you don't use?
And BTW, that extra $0.20 you pay at the pump is probably only $0.05 wholesale, so your local corner gas station gets a 400% markup.
I buy nothing but regular 87.
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Originally posted by BlueRanger94
Chevron delivers great wear numbers at 1.10 a quart
Chevron delivers great wear numbers at 1.10 a quart
This UOA was posted at The DieselStop for SuperTech 15w-40 in a PSD:
I'm one happy guy! Here are my Blackstone results which came in today.
CHRIS: No problems showed up in the initial sample from your Power Stroke. All wear read at or below averages for this type of engine, which is a very good indication of normal wearing parts and careful operation. The universal averages show normal wear after almost 5,000 miles on the oil.
Insolubles (oil oxidation and soot due to heat, use and blow-by) were low, showing good oil filtration. No fuel dilution or anti-freeze was found. At 30,000 total miles, this engine appears to be doing very well. Try 8,000 miles on the next oil. Everything should still look good.
Looks like I'll stick to my Frams and Walmart oil.
CHRIS: No problems showed up in the initial sample from your Power Stroke. All wear read at or below averages for this type of engine, which is a very good indication of normal wearing parts and careful operation. The universal averages show normal wear after almost 5,000 miles on the oil.
Insolubles (oil oxidation and soot due to heat, use and blow-by) were low, showing good oil filtration. No fuel dilution or anti-freeze was found. At 30,000 total miles, this engine appears to be doing very well. Try 8,000 miles on the next oil. Everything should still look good.
Looks like I'll stick to my Frams and Walmart oil.
Last edited by jschira; Mar 23, 2004 at 01:36 PM.
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VOA -
SuperTech 5w-30 SL
Aluminum - 1
Molybdenum - 55
Phosphorous - 1122
Zinc - 1090
Magnesium - 4
Calcium - 1934
Chevron 10w-30 SL
Aluminum - 1
Iron - 1
Molybdenum - 65
Boron - 133
Silicon - 3
Sodium - 1
Calcium - 1814
Magnesium - 4
Phosphorus - 732
Zinc - 879
SuperTech 5w-30 SL
Aluminum - 1
Molybdenum - 55
Phosphorous - 1122
Zinc - 1090
Magnesium - 4
Calcium - 1934
Chevron 10w-30 SL
Aluminum - 1
Iron - 1
Molybdenum - 65
Boron - 133
Silicon - 3
Sodium - 1
Calcium - 1814
Magnesium - 4
Phosphorus - 732
Zinc - 879
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I’m going to have to end my argument here because I don’t have any numbers to toss back at you. I still hold firm that buying a brand name let you know what you are getting and you are getting more than the minimum protection.