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Wheres the Beef?
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Wheres the Beef?
The economy has lost more than 2 million jobs since the first Bush tax cut.The White House predicted that Bushs jobs and tax package would create 1,836,000 new jobs by the end of 2003 and 5.5 million by 2004.Instead,the economy has added only 221,00 jobs during this period,or 1.6 million less than bush claimed.The economy may be doing good, but the job market seems a little bleak.Seems like another one of those trickle down policies to me.Jobs aren't a big concern for this administration.IMO.The job market for the 18-24 year olds is very bleek also.16%seems to be a ballpark figure,though I'm still tracking data on it.Bush may come under attack for his job creating policies.IMO
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I just opened the Cincinnati Enquirer job listings. 15 pages -roughly 100 ads per page. About 12 pages requiring at least some skills, and 3 pages basically unskilled.
Most of the ads are by small and medium sized businesses, and I would bet my bottom dollar that if one were to ask the owners of those companies what their most pressing problem is, they would say "finding people to show up every day and WORK, and not expect a paycheck for doing nothing."
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Most of the ads are by small and medium sized businesses, and I would bet my bottom dollar that if one were to ask the owners of those companies what their most pressing problem is, they would say "finding people to show up every day and WORK, and not expect a paycheck for doing nothing."
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Thats good Cincinnati has jobs but where I live it is not as pretty as that. In our State we have had downsizing of 3 Companys this year alone that killed 2000 jobs. And nothing has realy picked back up from that. I,m sorry to say but I do not beleve the goverment saying that thing are getting better. It is like the Goverment said that was weapons of mass distruction in Iraq and that was the reson for the war. But come to find out the Bush add. Lied about that. The only reson we are there is because the 1st Bush did not finsh the job the 1st time we where over there. We have nothing for steel plants like we used to textile fact. are over seas now along with other goods. I would say no we are not better off. Also the transportion busnisses are going to take dive this year due the fuel prices. That might put me out of a lot work that I do.
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The foundation of the U.S - our way of life - a capitalist system, it all simply doesn't depend on a president "creating jobs". Our country is not in a depression or even a recession. Economic situations naturally fluctuate. Companies often downsize because of Government regulations. Bush is not a member of the party that usually seeks to increase government regulation.
Cincinnati isn't the center of U.S. commerce, it's just an average U.S. city (54th largest) It wouldn't surprise me if the 53 bigger ones have a pretty long list of jobs too.
The "Bush lied about WMD" topic, as well as fuel prices, have been covered in other threads here. I for one will do my part in keeping this thread about jobs.
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Cincinnati isn't the center of U.S. commerce, it's just an average U.S. city (54th largest) It wouldn't surprise me if the 53 bigger ones have a pretty long list of jobs too.
The "Bush lied about WMD" topic, as well as fuel prices, have been covered in other threads here. I for one will do my part in keeping this thread about jobs.
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I like what marc9000 said about jobs being created by the president. I don't see the problem as being 'not enough jobs' but a problem of 'not enough high paying jobs.'
If your job is being sent overseas it is for a reason. Not because the business wants you to be unemployed, but because they can get the job done for less- usually ALOT less money- over there. Maybe someone out there can help me to see the big picture. If I own a business (manufacturing) and all my employers are making $20/hr, yet I can only sell my product for X dollars each, how is my business supposed to thrive? How am I supposed to keep those employees? They are going to have to produce more, so I can sell more units. But then won't they want more money because they are working harder? Seems like a vicious cycle to me. At any rate, I see it as more of an internal problem. Americans want quality and low prices. They can easily have either of the two and keep the jobs here, but to want both? You gotta pay the help less to keep the prices down.
Does this fall onto the president's shoulders? I don't see why it should, but it usually does. Now somebody please educate me, I just don't get it.
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If your job is being sent overseas it is for a reason. Not because the business wants you to be unemployed, but because they can get the job done for less- usually ALOT less money- over there. Maybe someone out there can help me to see the big picture. If I own a business (manufacturing) and all my employers are making $20/hr, yet I can only sell my product for X dollars each, how is my business supposed to thrive? How am I supposed to keep those employees? They are going to have to produce more, so I can sell more units. But then won't they want more money because they are working harder? Seems like a vicious cycle to me. At any rate, I see it as more of an internal problem. Americans want quality and low prices. They can easily have either of the two and keep the jobs here, but to want both? You gotta pay the help less to keep the prices down.
Does this fall onto the president's shoulders? I don't see why it should, but it usually does. Now somebody please educate me, I just don't get it.
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Well I might be missing something here ,but don't the presidents policys have influence over the job market?After all,Bush is the one who claimed we would have a great economic boom through his tax cut?wasn't this economic boom going to create jobs?Doesn't the president propose legislation to stimulate job growth?Hey,the economy is great,but the jobs aren't being created at the pace he claimed they would.service industry jobs are great.The manufacturing jobs,and high tech jobs,just aren't there.Good paying jobs are the ones being lost.18-24 yr.olds,the college grads are suffering the most.The presidents policys dictate growth,growth dictates jobs.What do we need Bush for then?Come to think of it,we don't.Sorry guys,i don't agree.
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Originally posted by Fordfaggiole
Well I might be missing something here ,but don't the presidents policys have influence over the job market?After all,Bush is the one who claimed we would have a great economic boom through his tax cut?wasn't this economic boom going to create jobs?Doesn't the president propose legislation to stimulate job growth?Hey,the economy is great,but the jobs aren't being created at the pace he claimed they would.service industry jobs are great.The manufacturing jobs,and high tech jobs,just aren't there.Good paying jobs are the ones being lost.18-24 yr.olds,the college grads are suffering the most.The presidents policys dictate growth,growth dictates jobs.What do we need Bush for then?Come to think of it,we don't.Sorry guys,i don't agree.
Well I might be missing something here ,but don't the presidents policys have influence over the job market?After all,Bush is the one who claimed we would have a great economic boom through his tax cut?wasn't this economic boom going to create jobs?Doesn't the president propose legislation to stimulate job growth?Hey,the economy is great,but the jobs aren't being created at the pace he claimed they would.service industry jobs are great.The manufacturing jobs,and high tech jobs,just aren't there.Good paying jobs are the ones being lost.18-24 yr.olds,the college grads are suffering the most.The presidents policys dictate growth,growth dictates jobs.What do we need Bush for then?Come to think of it,we don't.Sorry guys,i don't agree.
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People fill their houses with products made in China, and the driveway with vehicles made in Japan, then they point the finger at the President and say, "Why did he let all the jobs go overseas?" Americans are dumb. Hey, I'm an American!
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They are going to have to produce more, so I can sell more units. STU
They are going to have to produce more, so I can sell more units. STU
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We are and have been strangled by the high costs of our labor. The industry I work in has been hit hard by the economic slowdown. On the other hand, our union demanded a pay raise each of the next 4 years. This will dictate raising our prices in an already "soft" market. Anyone else see a problem here??
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The unions are a big culpret to this problem. The other factor is greed.
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The unions aren't any different than the rest of us, we all want to make more money. The problem is, the unions can force a company to give in to their demands or shut them down with a strike. Therefore, you can't win either way, you lose money with the pay raise or lose it with the strike. When it comes to non-union workers, management can just tell them they can't afford the raise, if they don't believe them they can work somewhere else!
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Originally posted by Fordfaggiole
Well I might be missing something here ,but don't the presidents policys have influence over the job market?After all,Bush is the one who claimed we would have a great economic boom through his tax cut?wasn't this economic boom going to create jobs?Doesn't the president propose legislation to stimulate job growth?Hey,the economy is great,but the jobs aren't being created at the pace he claimed they would.service industry jobs are great.The manufacturing jobs,and high tech jobs,just aren't there.Good paying jobs are the ones being lost.18-24 yr.olds,the college grads are suffering the most.The presidents policys dictate growth,growth dictates jobs.What do we need Bush for then?Come to think of it,we don't.Sorry guys,i don't agree.
Well I might be missing something here ,but don't the presidents policys have influence over the job market?After all,Bush is the one who claimed we would have a great economic boom through his tax cut?wasn't this economic boom going to create jobs?Doesn't the president propose legislation to stimulate job growth?Hey,the economy is great,but the jobs aren't being created at the pace he claimed they would.service industry jobs are great.The manufacturing jobs,and high tech jobs,just aren't there.Good paying jobs are the ones being lost.18-24 yr.olds,the college grads are suffering the most.The presidents policys dictate growth,growth dictates jobs.What do we need Bush for then?Come to think of it,we don't.Sorry guys,i don't agree.