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Old Mar 11, 2004 | 05:41 PM
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I got this in an email and thought it was a good idea....sorry that its so long....


I hear we are going to hit close to $3.00 a gallon by the summer. Want gasoline prices to come down? We need to take some intelligent, united action. California is already over $2.00 a gallan.
Phillip Hollsworth, offered this good idea: This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain day" campaign that was going around last April or May!

The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to "hurt" ourselves by refusing to buy gas.

It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them. BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can really work.

Please read it and join with us!

By now you're probably thinking gasoline priced at about $1.50 is super cheap. Me too! It is currently $1.97 for regular unleaded in my town.

Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to think that the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50 - $1.75, we need to take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the market place....not sellers. With the price of gasoline going up more each day, we consumers need to take action.The only way we are going to see the price of gas
come down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their gas! And we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves.

How?
Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop buying gas. But, we CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all act together to force a price war.

Here's the idea: For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline from the 2 biggest companies, EXXONMOBIL & Shell. If they are not selling any gas, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit. But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of ExxonMobil & Shell gas buyers.

It's really simple to do!! Now, don't whimp out on me at this
point...keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!!

I am sending this note to about thirty people. If each of you send it to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300) ... and those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000)...and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth generation of people, we will have reached over 3 MILLION consumers!
If those 3 million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each,
then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes one level further, you guessed it..... THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!

Again, all You have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all. How
long would all that take? If each of us sends this email out to ten more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people could conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!! I'll bet you I didn't think you and I had that much potential, did you! Acting together we can make a difference.

If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on. PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $1.30 RANGE AND KEEP THEM DOWN.THIS CAN REALLY WORK.
 
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Old Mar 11, 2004 | 05:49 PM
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We went through this last week in the general forum, just go back a couple pages.

You may also want to check out snopes.com.

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Old Mar 11, 2004 | 06:56 PM
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If you want to send a message to the oil industry, you should convince people to start cutting way back on their driving and start using less gasoline. It's all about supply and demand with OPEC. If we use less and less oil for an extended period, their inventories will grow and they'll be forced to drop the price to stimulate sales. It's like any other product, when the price gets unusually high, we stop buying it. We could all cut our usage by a considerable amount by just cutting out the wasteful driving and using only what is needed to get by. That would put a serious dent in their wallet. The problem is Americans complain relentlessly, but still buy just as much gas!
 
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Old Mar 11, 2004 | 06:58 PM
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It is a commodity-based product, it is refined in varying amounts depending on your geographical location and population density and you're generally working against yourself to reduce consumption. Reduced consumption equals less demand, resulting in decreased production and that drives the floor price of any commodity up.

OPEC's reduction in oil production was based on the falling dollar, the medium of exchange they receive for their oil. Profits were down from using the falling dollar, they reduce supply, price of crude goes up and replaces their lost margins. You're now experiencing a textbook example of why you don't mess with a currency as our leaders are doing. While it may knock the balance of trade down a bit and produce better temporary GNP numbers, we the consumers pay the price and ultimately the trade balance will also take a bad hit as our oil imports increase in cost. Stupidity for vote gathering that we're paying for.
 
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Old Mar 11, 2004 | 07:07 PM
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Seems to me if we could get the oil out of Iraq that we went there to protect,that would do a lot to increase the supply side.I read somewhere that OPEC plans another cut for April.If that is true,It could be an interesting year for gas prices.As far as the chainletter that was mentioned,I'm a little leary of those types of tatics.
 
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Old Mar 11, 2004 | 07:16 PM
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See how much shorter it appears when it is edited ?

I won't work
They (oil Companies & Governments) have everything stacked on their side.
 
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Old Mar 11, 2004 | 07:35 PM
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Originally posted by Fordfaggiole
Seems to me if we could get the oil out of Iraq that we went there to protect,that would do a lot to increase the supply side.I read somewhere that OPEC plans another cut for April.If that is true,It could be an interesting year for gas prices.As far as the chainletter that was mentioned,I'm a little leary of those types of tatics.
As mentioned, oil is a commodity. Even if Iraq could reach full processing capacity say next month, all flooding the market would do is instantly take the bottom out of crude prices. Iraq has enormous debt, oil is the only product that can bring foreign exchange in to support the country and there's that ever-present cost of doing business. With oil prices at flooded lows, we'd still be paying to improve their standard of living. Commodities are like any business, management includes the marketing perspective, which drives income to cover expenses and produce profits. OPEC is prudently managing their assets. Hopefully, for Iraq's sake, whomever controls Iraq's oil industry will be just as responsible.

I read that Bush is very dissatisfied with Venezuela, socialist leader, etc., who supplies a good chunk of our crude. Weak army, poor economy, so maybe that's next on Cheney's list if he can overcome the fact that their socialist leader was elected by popular vote. Less travel for the troops.... some weekends home, grad degree included for re-enlistment would do that piece.
 
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Old Mar 12, 2004 | 01:42 AM
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We are getting raped, this govt. doesn't represent us ,only the corperations. 7 trillion in debt no jobs and no health care .Bush and Cheney are luteing thugs.
 
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Old Mar 12, 2004 | 12:15 PM
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Bush & Cheney are Fish (lute) ?
 
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Old Mar 12, 2004 | 02:25 PM
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We are getting raped, this govt. doesn't represent us ,only the corperations. 7 trillion in debt no jobs and no health care .Bush and Cheney are luteing thugs.
Only select corporations, dependent on campaign contributions. For the past few administrations, it's been that way regardless of who's running or their political flavor. Bush/Cheney just needed a huge campaign chest to combat Bush's problems with the economy and became very blatant about it. Mainstream America is so apathetic they don't care to even take a look why and write their representatives, so nothing changes.

Bush's fiscal policies are what effect gasoline prices. As our debt and trade imbalance increase (another record last month) the dollar drops from lack of confidence and prices go up. On everything.
 
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Old Mar 12, 2004 | 03:14 PM
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Wow, what a differance a couple months makes. Last summer and fall all anyone heard about was how the Iraq war was fought to keep crude oil cheap for the BIG OIL. Now BIG OIL wants rising crude prices, and the Iraq production won't keep oil cheap. Would the shepards make up their minds! Us sheeple have no idea which story is right.
 
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Old Mar 12, 2004 | 11:52 PM
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This is an oligarchy with criminal intent ...................................,.
 
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Old Mar 13, 2004 | 09:17 AM
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I hate to inject facts into this emotional arguement, but here are a few things that need to be considered.

1) at $2/gallon, gas is still cheaper in the US than anywhere else. Europe is averaging Eu1.20 - Eu1.30 per LITER. That averages out to about $5.65 per gallon. ($1.25, or so, is about 1 Euro)

Does that justify raping US? No.

Just a thought.

2) Over 50% of the price of each gallon of gas sold in the US are sate/local/excise and federal taxes. The governments share over 50% blame for the price of gas, whatever it may be. Hell, they like the $$$s too. Let's not forget that.

3) If MOST americans were involved in the process other than complaining, things would change. If EVERY motorist mailed their government reps (state/local/federal) saying you're GONE unless gas prices come in check, and then be organized enough to follow through, this would go away over night. The urine-heads in government realize the lack of engagement of most americans and actually COUNT on it.

4) A big part of this issue are "boutique" gasolines. Due to clean air standards and EPA requirements, the gas formulations (winter vs. summer and geographic) vary tremendously depending on where you live. Thus, there are an infinite number of formulations sold across the US. IF this issue were eliminated, i.e. ONE forulation for all, a lot of this would dissappear. If you are a refinery and have to produce 10 diferent formulations for a modest size geographic area, the production overhead becomes 10x. The refineries have to get that overhead back.


Just a different perspective here. I'm NOT defending any of this, just tossing it out there.

I'm glad I own a motorcycle.
 
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Old Mar 13, 2004 | 11:45 AM
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Just a different perspective here. I'm NOT defending any of this, just tossing it out there.

I'm glad I own a motorcycle. [/B]
An excellent perspective. Unfortunately, most Americans have decided to let the government take care of them, discarding informed, individual convictions and reality for current government press releases.
 
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Old Mar 13, 2004 | 11:59 AM
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I would agree with the supply in demand> I have no choice but to purchase gas. I think if all Californians reduce their fuel purchase by 2-4 gallons per week that would decrease the supply in demand and fuel cost would go down. I'm not going to be brainwashed that 2.03 per gallon is a good price. That's what the oil companies what you to think.
 
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