61 Econoline Engine
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61 Econoline Engine
I just purchased a 1961 Econoline truck this past weekend. It has a 262 engine in it, which I don't beleive it is the original.
Is this engine in the same 144/170/240 family? Are things like valve covers, oil pans, manifolds, etc. interchangable?
Is this engine in the same 144/170/240 family? Are things like valve covers, oil pans, manifolds, etc. interchangable?
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sorry, never heard of a 262 engine. 144/170/200 are the only bolt ins for the econos. 250 will fit with some work, it is wider and taller. parts will interchange between the smaller sixes, some will interchange between the smaller sixes and the 250. take a look at my gallery and look at my econos. post a few pics of yours. send me the data plate info and i will decode it for you. i need all three lines from the data plate. glad another one is still around.
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the 240/300 engines are a differant family altogether. 144-170 are the stock engines 1961-1965. 240 came in 66-67 models. there is the very rare 200 in 65-67 models. only one in the data base. is you truck a 3 speed?
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Thanks for the reply!
This van was an eBay purchase. The previous owner stated it had a 262ci engine (which I never heard of either). I have yet to look at the block numbers as I am going to pick it up this weekend.
I looked through an old "Mac's Antique Auto Parts" catalog (http://www.macsautoparts.com/pu.html) and found a reference for a 262:
ID: 6-22
Model: 262
Cyl: 6
Years: 63-64
Liter: 4.3
B/S: 3.718" x 4.030"
HP: 132 @ 3600
Torque: 224 @ 1300
Cmpr: 8.00
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If this engine is as obscure as it seems, I might do well in the long run to start keeping my eyes open for a decent 144/170.
This van was an eBay purchase. The previous owner stated it had a 262ci engine (which I never heard of either). I have yet to look at the block numbers as I am going to pick it up this weekend.
I looked through an old "Mac's Antique Auto Parts" catalog (http://www.macsautoparts.com/pu.html) and found a reference for a 262:
ID: 6-22
Model: 262
Cyl: 6
Years: 63-64
Liter: 4.3
B/S: 3.718" x 4.030"
HP: 132 @ 3600
Torque: 224 @ 1300
Cmpr: 8.00
Comments: Ford Pickup Truck
If this engine is as obscure as it seems, I might do well in the long run to start keeping my eyes open for a decent 144/170.
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Nevermind - I figured it out. I posted a front and side view of the truck. The body looks great, but the interior is pretty rough.
I'm going to pick it up from Portland, OR and take it home to Seattle, WA this weekend. (appx 175 miles) I'm going to replace the worn fan belt, plugs/wires, and gas filter before leaving. Finding the right parts - assuming it is a 262 - will be tough.
I'm going to pick it up from Portland, OR and take it home to Seattle, WA this weekend. (appx 175 miles) I'm going to replace the worn fan belt, plugs/wires, and gas filter before leaving. Finding the right parts - assuming it is a 262 - will be tough.
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The 262 is a larger and heavy duty version of the 223 that dates back to 1952 as the 215. The 262 has a higher Iron content in the block ten the 223 and 215. the Head uses the same valve sizes as the 223. This engine was mainly used in the medium duty trucks but also offered in the f-100 and f-250 from 1962-1964. Good solid engine.
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Dan...
Thanks for the info. I got some great data from some others on this forum and they were able to confirm that I in fact don't have a 262. The big tip off was that the intake/exhaust manifold on the 262 in on the drivers side. I asked the guy I bought the van from what made him think it was a 262 and he told me was told that when he bought it.
It turns out that the engine is a normal 144 or 170. I'm still not sure how to determine which one of the two it is.
...Matt in Seattle
Thanks for the info. I got some great data from some others on this forum and they were able to confirm that I in fact don't have a 262. The big tip off was that the intake/exhaust manifold on the 262 in on the drivers side. I asked the guy I bought the van from what made him think it was a 262 and he told me was told that when he bought it.
It turns out that the engine is a normal 144 or 170. I'm still not sure how to determine which one of the two it is.
...Matt in Seattle
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Originally Posted by MatthewLebeau
Dan...
Thanks for the info. I got some great data from some others on this forum and they were able to confirm that I in fact don't have a 262. The big tip off was that the intake/exhaust manifold on the 262 in on the drivers side. I asked the guy I bought the van from what made him think it was a 262 and he told me was told that when he bought it.
It turns out that the engine is a normal 144 or 170. I'm still not sure how to determine which one of the two it is.
...Matt in Seattle
Thanks for the info. I got some great data from some others on this forum and they were able to confirm that I in fact don't have a 262. The big tip off was that the intake/exhaust manifold on the 262 in on the drivers side. I asked the guy I bought the van from what made him think it was a 262 and he told me was told that when he bought it.
It turns out that the engine is a normal 144 or 170. I'm still not sure how to determine which one of the two it is.
...Matt in Seattle
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The 144 engine has a bore and stroke of 3.5x2.5 inches and the 170 is 3.5x2.94 inches. Both of these engines have 4 main bearings. The 200 and 250 cuin engines have 7 main bearings and a larger block. All four of these engines have the intake manifold cast with the head.
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Ed...
Measuring the stroke sounds like a good idea. Where did you measure from? As Dan pointed out, there's just under a 1/2 inch stroke difference. If I take a measure from the sparkplug hole on the side of the block down to the top of the cylinder head, will the angle affect my stroke distance?
...Matt is Seattle
Measuring the stroke sounds like a good idea. Where did you measure from? As Dan pointed out, there's just under a 1/2 inch stroke difference. If I take a measure from the sparkplug hole on the side of the block down to the top of the cylinder head, will the angle affect my stroke distance?
...Matt is Seattle
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Originally Posted by MatthewLebeau
Ed...
Measuring the stroke sounds like a good idea. Where did you measure from? As Dan pointed out, there's just under a 1/2 inch stroke difference. If I take a measure from the sparkplug hole on the side of the block down to the top of the cylinder head, will the angle affect my stroke distance?
...Matt is Seattle
Measuring the stroke sounds like a good idea. Where did you measure from? As Dan pointed out, there's just under a 1/2 inch stroke difference. If I take a measure from the sparkplug hole on the side of the block down to the top of the cylinder head, will the angle affect my stroke distance?
...Matt is Seattle
In oldeconolines@y..., "J B Long" <polecat1010@h...> wrote:
Ed, sorry, but there's no way to tell the difference from the
outside, since
they both used the same block and head. Only the stroke (crank and
rods) is
different. If the engine has been repainted there's simply no way to
tell
without measuring the stroke. If you decide to do that, the 144 has a
stroke
of 2.5 inches, the 170 is 2.94. I've measured that with a piece of
welding
rod bent slightly and stuck down into the #1 cylinder. Start at TDC,
and
rotate the crank 180 degrees and measure again. The difference is the
stroke.
Jay (talking Econolines, thank you) in CA
Good luck it worked for me Ed ke6bnl
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