Uh...scroob...

It is not that I am doubting your word. But the matter of the fact is that one can have about any decal or plate duplicated or made to say what one wants it to say.

The first run of FE's had solid lifters. That is a fact. What I have a little difficulty in swallowing is the ability of FORD drawing 375HP out of a brand new engine. Sorry, the technology wasn't there. Had it been there, they would have dominated the street, circle tracks and drag strips across the country. The fact of the matter was that 1958/1959 were a very poor years for FORD performance.

HOLMAN-MOODY had to go to a 430 powered TBIRD in 1959 to stay competitive. If the technology existed at that time for that kind of power, it would have been a FORD body that got Richard all upset.

I need no further proof as common sense tells you there was no such offering. You say the HP rating was 375? There may be a very good chance that a 430ci engine was set in that FORD. That is the information I am looking for, not someone's saying, "I remember seeing this and that."

Did the glove box emblem read INTERCEPTOR V8? All FE 1958 FORD's had that on the glove box door. Both the 332 and 352 were named INTERCEPTORS.

 

who says there cant be a 375hp 352, if hes saw one then im sure there is, you havnt saw one so how would you know what ford made back then or not.

 

Gentlemen,

Let's not start a flame war here. All I have asked is that he document his claim. No biggie.

If I post something on a message board and am asked to provide documentation and/or details, I usually comply or retract my statement.

I have heard another story (and the guy is reputable) that his friend received from his parents (owned a FORD dealer) a 1960 STARLINER with a 8V 430 in it. Should I believe him? Well, stranger things have happened at FORD assembly but why would they stuff a 430 into it when the 352/360HP FE was available and could run circles around it?

See what I am getting at here?

Why would FORD assemble such an engine and then put it into a police car with no service/parts data to keep the thing on the road? Whenever FORD released something along this line and it was not cataloged or entered into service publications, the dealer(s) was notified via bulletins. If such an option was offered, someone has to have a copy of that bulletin.

Don't you think it odd that FORD could only pump the 352 up to 360HP and that was two model runs later, found out that they could not keep up with GM and/or MOPAR and then released the 390HI-PO in '61 and the 406 in '62?

I cannot see a police agency (except possibly for a highway patrol) ordering something like that or FORD actually building something like that to release on the street due to warranty considerations.

I only came across this post as I was looking for some specific information regarding an early FE and the search engine brought me here.

If it turns out that the engine was offered, I will kiss your butt and give you thirty minutes to draw a crowd.

 

i know of a couple websites that have the 360hp 352 on it ill post specs once i find them.

 

heres a site that has 360hp 352 specs: http://www.carnut.com/specs/gen/ford60.html

 

Thanx for the information on the 1960 352/360HP Special but what has this to do with the model year engine in question?

 

I've got to admit this is the most nitpicky and rude posting I have seen in all of the time I have been on FTE. Who cares? 360 or 375, If he can't tell you on the web doesn't mean that it isn't so. Yep, all I have sen was the 360 HP quote, quite amazing for a 352 only a couple of years off the design board. Why don't we leave it like that. No calling anyone a liar or talking about butts.

 

Please explain to me where I have been rude?

If this statement is allowed to be accepted here, what other fairy tales do you guys pass among yourselves?

All I am is asking is for a poster to provide documentation for a statement he has made. That is not rude.

Well, I care. And this statement also goes to show that you haven't followed the discussion and haven't the faintest of what the disagreement is about.

And as a result, I am also going to have to believe the GERMANS bombed PEARL HARBOR and the sky is green...just because someone has made a casual statement?

I can only assume that fairy tales are more important than historical fact among this group. So please proceed with your tall tales.

 

AHHH but I did read the whole thing and I find it boring. I will end my part in this as I don't have a dog in this fight, it's just that you are the first of your kind I have seen on this web site and I made an observation.

I knew it was only a matter of time. I know what I believe and care about and whether or not someone else saw a ’58 352 that made 375 HP or not is not one of them. It is the way you are going about things is what I find rude, not your questions. Maybe it's just the way you are.

With me it’s kinda like someone saying they saw a purple dog, I can leave it at saying "Hmm, he said he saw a purple dog”, I don’t automatically jump all over them, and beat my chest at how correct I am. I try to take everything I hear and see with a grain of salt and wide open eyes as well. Whatever. Enjoy yourself. Later.

 

Excuse me for getting in the middle...

I did some Google searching, and it looks like '58 352's did come as a PI, but were only 300HP or so. To get HP numbers near the cubic inches, you're talking really hi-po motors. Ford in 1958? Doesn't match up, to say the least.

I'm 38, and I've seen and read many things, that I go back to years later, and I am amazed at how much my memory is off the mark.

That's why the police do not put much faith in eye-witness accounts - they are rarely accurate except for the face-recognition/timing aspects. But ask someone to read back a sign they saw 10 years ago and compare it to the original.

By the way, do you know what it takes to get 375 HP out of a 352?

HP=(torque*RPM)/5252

That means you'd have to have 375ft/lbs of torque at 5252RPM. Or, much more at a lower RPM, or less but at an even higher RPM.

5252RPM for peak torque in 1958? More than 375ft/lbs out of a 352? In '58? I'm lucky my 390 with some major cam and other work puts out 425ft/lbs, and that's theoretical. And the HP is still only in the mid 300 range.

 

You may have read but you didn't comprehend it. This discussion has nothing to do with a 1960 production engine. You brought that up, remember?

And where is it that I have beat my chest as you so aptly put it? I have not said that I am right. All I asked is where this can be documented. I for one want to know where this rumor got started. If it is not a rumor (or old wives tale...I want to know). If it is true, I want to know.

The point of this whole argument is to challenge the old, "Well I saw this and I saw that." After awhile, people start believing it and it is accepted as general knowledge.

Why bother coming to a site like this if what information people find here and discussed is hearsay and not actual fact?

Thanx krewat for your input. I was thinking I had become delusional for a minute.

The 1958 332 and 352 were named INTERCEPTOR. The 352 was rated at 300HP, even after the production change from solid cam and machined heads. There is not to my knowledge (and to cataloging) of anything stronger offered for that year.

I am extremely interested in MEL engines. There is a very slim chance that this thing may have come down with a 430 in it. That is one theory. Otherwise I could give a hoot what "Your Not Going To Believe This!" stories you pass among yourselves.

Enough said. I am going to go scour the donor yards for a 58 PI and make myself a millionaire...

 

alls ive got to say is this thread is getting out of control, no one believes anyones, they think they know everything, this is my last post on this thread


P.S. i dont mean to be rude but why cant we all get along, i mean come on is it that big of a deal.

 

 

Settle down kids.