..............To Whomever...Does anybody really have a Philosophical Problem with allowing Donald Trump and All in his Income Catagory to pay a 50 % tax rate. And, you know who CARES whether he likes it or NOT. He and his Buds have purchased the Services of Every Senator and Representative that will accept their Bribes\contributions and so I just feel he should really pay a premium for his right to be a citizen in this country.
.............How many people who are active Participants on this forum have written a check for 5, 10, or 25,000 dollars and mailed it to either a senator or Representative and then sent them several pages of REWORDED regulations to make it easier for "Your corporation" to do business where ever ??? Not many is my guess . SO, you see, they have leverage that "Normal" taxpayers just DON"T have....friends. s.kuteman......

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by skuteman
..............To Whomever...Does anybody really have a Philosophical Problem with allowing Donald Trump and All in his Income Catagory to pay a 50 % tax rate. And, you know who CARES whether he likes it or NOT. He and his Buds have purchased the Services of Every Senator and Representative that will accept their Bribes\contributions and so I just feel he should really pay a premium for his right to be a citizen in this country.

Sorry, I have a problem with any tax that gives an equal stake in your earnings to any other entity.....with the possible exception of my wife.


.............How many people who are active Participants on this forum have written a check for 5, 10, or 25,000 dollars and mailed it to either a senator or Representative and then sent them several pages of REWORDED regulations to make it easier for "Your corporation" to do business where ever ??? Not many is my guess . SO, you see, they have leverage that "Normal" taxpayers just DON"T have....friends.

Aren't individuals limited to $10k donations? I try not to get involved in class warfare. It's so pedestrian.

 

I'm not sure about Donald Trump, but others in his income catagory have contributed notably in our standard of living. If we penalize them to this extent that you suggest, there won't be many people in the future who are going to strive to be the best they can be.

The problem isn't with those who mail the big checks, the problem is with the politicians who are influenced by them.

marc

 

.................Actually, I think an individual is limited to 1,500 or 2,000. I should have clarified my statement about the 25k donation.........what I meant to say was a donation by his\their corporation..........
.................And, my original point was ...since they can influence and\or buy all kinds of very favorable regulatory and tax treatment for their companies and themselves , why shouldn't they be subjected to a very High rate of taxiation?? Do you think that they should pay a 10 % rate like some poor slob working for Wal-Mart????.....besides all the Tax breaks have gone to the Likes of the Donald anyway..........s.kuteman

 

What you are talking about is class warfare. There is NO reason why Joe Millionaire should be responsible to pay more than John Q. Public in Federal taxes. We don't live in a Marxist state, yet. Karl Marx's doctrine " From each according to his means; to each according to his needs" isn't "the America way", it is Socialism. It IS becoming, more and more, the way it is run, however, because of this incessant class warfare.
Just like with business, if we continue down the path towards demonizing the rich, they'll go off-shore, too and you won't have to worry about what their tax rate is. 50% of zero is the same as 30% of zero.
It burns me up that we have strayed so far from our Forefather's ideal of what America should be that we now feel morally justified to rob the rich JUST because they have more to rob. That's a morally bankrupt philosophy, IMHO.
If you're worried about undue influence, hold the politician accountable for his actions. The Supreme Court has already ruled that contributions fall under 1st Amendment protection. All they need to do is make sure that all contributions are disclosed publically and let the public act accordingly.

 

..................I guess I've gotten somewhat off topic but It is indirectly related in that it has to do with funding of the war, who pays taxes , etc.
...................I fully agree with the idea that we have not followed the constitution and deviate way too much. But, if John Doe could garner as much influence with his Senator based upon the validity of his issue of importance ...as Donald trump does with money then I'm ALL for taxing everybody at 20% . But , you (jspartre) know full well that , that is NOT the way things work in our "Sellout Congress". The quality and importance of issues brought before members of Congress is NOT the Motivating Factor that will evoke an overt response from a single or multiple members of Congress. They follow the Money pure and simple. I think the Term is "Undue Influence". As long as the Donald Trumps and Enron's can BUY all the representation they need I will feel very UNguilty about Mr.Trump paying a 50% tax rate.......s.kuteman

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by skuteman
..................I guess I've gotten somewhat off topic but It is indirectly related in that it has to do with funding of the war, who pays taxes , etc.
...................I fully agree with the idea that we have not followed the constitution and deviate way too much. But, if John Doe could garner as much influence with his Senator based upon the validity of his issue of importance ...as Donald trump does with money then I'm ALL for taxing everybody at 20% . But , you (jspartre) know full well that , that is NOT the way things work in our "Sellout Congress".

Four words for you "One man, one vote." It's up to the public to keep politicians in line, not politicians writing easily-skirted laws governing their own behavior. The fox should not be put in charge of regulating chickens.

The quality and importance of issues brought before members of Congress is NOT the Motivating Factor that will evoke an overt response from a single or multiple members of Congress. They follow the Money pure and simple. I think the Term is "Undue Influence". As long as the Donald Trumps and Enron's can BUY all the representation they need I will feel very UNguilty about Mr.Trump paying a 50% tax rate.......s.kuteman

You can justify robbery any way you like, but it's still robbery.
The idea that Uncle Sam has as equal right to your livlihood as you do is a dangerous philosophy to defend from a practical standpoint and impossible to defend from a moral standpoint.
Maybe you should look at it from a different angle. Look at how many people HAVE livlihoods because of Donald Trump and consider how many more would if Uncle Sam didn't take so much of his wealth.

 

Gentleman: A very good and somewhat informative discussion on Iraq and whether you Americans should remain there and what to do if you do so.

As a Canadian and someone that has steadfastedly supported your troops since day 1. (and BTW, am ashamed by comments made by our very own Govt. at the time), I think that comment made previously is that you will learn some extremely valuable lessons in the occupation of this country.

As in Afganistan, Raw naked power backed by AK's and RPG's is the real force that binds these people and typically keeps the peace. Democracy in this country and in others in the region is a dream...IMHO.

War Lords have been practising their brand of politics for centuries and will continue to do so long after your forces have left the country.

but what to do....Is the Oil the real reason..??

If that is the case, I suggest that someone in your country take a good look at what we have to offer .... right here in Alberta.

The largest concentration of (proven reserves), of Oil in the world. ... No kidding...It's called the Athabasca Oil Sands and at this time we are allready putting out approx 1,000,000 barrels a day. .....and we have only just begun ...!!

But back to Iraq....I agree with some of the earlier suggestions...Leave and let them sort it out. No imposed democracy (an Alien concept methinks in Iraq..), will survive. Especially within a country surrounded by others that are havens for those with a bone (real or perceived), against the US.

Democracy is simply at too great odds with their Religious beliefs and ethnic disparities and willingness to hate.

Rgds,

stk

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by steak2k1
Gentleman: A very good and somewhat informative discussion on Iraq and whether you Americans should remain there and what to do if you do so.

As a Canadian and someone that has steadfastedly supported your troops since day 1. (and BTW, am ashamed by comments made by our very own Govt. at the time), I think that comment made previously is that you will learn some extremely valuable lessons in the occupation of this country.

We appreciate your support of the US and realize that those in Canada who didn't were mostly , ribbit......I'm not going to say.

As in Afganistan, Raw naked power backed by AK's and RPG's is the real force that binds these people and typically keeps the peace. Democracy in this country and in others in the region is a dream...IMHO.

War Lords have been practising their brand of politics for centuries and will continue to do so long after your forces have left the country.

That is entirely possible. But we won't be out of Iraq for decades, IMO.


but what to do....Is the Oil the real reason..??

If that is the case, I suggest that someone in your country take a good look at what we have to offer .... right here in Alberta.

The largest concentration of (proven reserves), of Oil in the world. ... No kidding...It's called the Athabasca Oil Sands and at this time we are allready putting out approx 1,000,000 barrels a day. .....and we have only just begun ...!!

Canada is already the #1 exporter of oil to the US, IIRC. I posted the numbers a month or so ago to FTE.

But back to Iraq....I agree with some of the earlier suggestions...Leave and let them sort it out. No imposed democracy (an Alien concept methinks in Iraq..), will survive. Especially within a country surrounded by others that are havens for those with a bone (real or perceived), against the US.

Democracy is simply at too great odds with their Religious beliefs and ethnic disparities and willingness to hate.

There's nothing in their religion that should prevent them from embracing democracy. It's not the religion that reeds fanaticism, it's fanatics.