I will try hard to keep this from being controversial. What gives the right for so called "activists' like Tim Robbins, Mike Farrell, Jesse Jackson , et all to say that their opinion is worth more because they are famous? Here is Ca, a convicted murderer, whose DNA was found at the scene of four brutal murders, has had his execution delayed by the ninth circuit court or appeals beacuse of the above named hooligans and Jesse and his crowd are on TV calling it justice. Justice for who? Certainly not for the families of the victims. I FEEL that it is easy to say that the death penalty is wrong when you are not the one who has to find the bodies of the people you love, or the one who will never see your loved ones again. Like most subjects, it is easy to have a ridiculous opinion when you don't know what you are talking about.When is Jesse Jackson going to get a job?

 

Where does it state, they said their opinions are worth more ?

 

I am really trying to keep this clean.Just so you know. I think it is the implication. Martin Sheen,Susan Sarandon,blah, blah, they take signed petitions to the Governor and then say," We cannot be ignored, beacuse of our visibilty and stature, we have the unique opportunity to be heard."(direct qoute) Puuuleaazzee.

 

i think that is a common implication too, but the people of the country and in some cases world let that be the case as well, which is just as wrong...i think that the law is the law, and if you are bold enough to have an opinion, that it ought to be your own and not that of some star that that person might admire.

 

Well the ninth circuit has done some wacky things in the past. Therefore I'm somewhat suspect. They have destroyed their credibility.

If the court really feels this needs to be looked at more based upon new evidence, I agree. But I think they should state the reason for their ruling and resolve it quickly. But if they are just bowing down to Hollywood big shots, I wouldn't be surprised.

Caifornia is a liberal state with liberal judges, liberal Hollywood actors, full of the politically correct. Most liberal democrats don't believe in the death penalty no matter what the crime. That's fine. But California has the death penalty. This case is being carried out within the law and the provisions that warrent the death penalty. So, are these Hollywood types trying to prove some injustice here or are they demonstrating against the death penalty? If they can prove an injustice, more power to them. But if they are demonstrating against the death penalty by delaying or trying to stop it for the sake of stoping it, then they and the ninth circuit are obstructing justice by delaying the verdict of the court by a trial of his peers.

Makes you wonder. If this guy didn't get the death penalty but life in prison without parole, would these Hollywood big shots be just as determined in their attempt to prove his innocents?

To give you an idea of how much Hollywood can influence a persons thinking, here's an example:

On one web site I was visiting a person was saying that the Bush administration was doing things wrong because on the "West Wing" things didn't happen that way. This person was serious.

Another person on another topic said that she would vote for, get this, president Bartlet if he decided to run. President Bartlet is a fictional character on the West Wing tv series. Now I don't know if she ment the fictonal character or Martin Sheen. But this person has no idea that this is all made up by writers who think this stuff up and everything works out the way they want it to. It's not real!

Yet millions will tune into "reality tv" to watch, what? Reality?Perhaps those Hollywood types figure if so many people will believe everything they see on tv, then they will believe everything they have to say as being true and correct. When it comes to advancing their liberal agenda, they can have a lot of enfluence and have the perfect platform in which to launch it from. They may be liberal, rich and live in their own little world, but when they want to spread their message, they aren't dumb........ Ok, some are.

 

cwb

Fear not. The Ninth Circuit's decisions have been tossed so many times it would be laughable, but for the cost and hassle.

This, too, shall pass (hopefully).

And the high-profile Hollywood folks in question are indeed against the death penalty. If I could persuade them to adopt a convicted murder...

Ahhh, sometimes I think too much.

 

I would like to see a cite to the actual court opinion discussed here, and the criminal case involved, as that is really the only way to assess this situation. That darned law school education doesn't allow me the luxury of jumping to conclusions, at least without more facts.

 

I was interviewed by Jerry Dumphy (KCAL newsman) for being pro death penalty, and the opposing interview was Mike Ferral...
I think maybe his opinion would be far more worth my while to listen to if he actually was close to a case....
I am pro death penalty only because my father was murdered and after 25 years they let the guy who killed my father off death row because suddenly they felt he was retarded...Mind you that topic never came up in 20 years... It was an issue after all of his appeals were exhausted... Go figure
For the record mild retardation is 50-55 IQ he scored a 75...
Now he is serving life.. He walked 3 times all of which I was there for.. I was to be a witness to the execution. I doubt I will ever have a strong feeling either way only because I am way to close to the reality... But yes it is interesting how our celebs have such a voice in these matters.....
But then again I cannot base my beliefs on "beliefs" or revenge.. its a very fine line

 

I don't believe in revenge, well, maybe. I do believe in justice,however. I belong to a religion(although this is not necessarily germain, since my beliefs are my own not the beliefs of others)that believes that the death penalty is a just cause of an action. It should not be related to mental capacity(except in extreme cases) upbringing or any thing else. It is the natural consequence of a violent action. Here we are again at a point where people are not being held accountable for their actions. I just returned from the house of someone who was involved with this case and he stated that in this case there was relatively much more evidence than most others. This guy is guilty. The evidence has proven it. The ninth circuit has made this decision in the same spirit they make all their decisions. What can we do today to prove that we are doing something?What a load......

 

Ooooooh geeze!!!
Whenever I doupt my belief that the death penalty is appropriate, I consider, how would I feel if I was the surviving family member of a murder victim.
Reading your post cuts my heart. I feel your anger and frustration. I don't know just how you feel but I sure aint gonna be the one to say the death penalty shouldn't ever be imposed. I hope your family finds justice in whatever way helps to quell you're families pain.

Those Holiwood freaks just make me mad. Whenever they have any political opinion, I usually will take the oposite stand to spite em, and don't go see there movies. Hurt em where it hurts, the pocket book.

 

Thanks.. but that is the part that is so hard to be passionate about what I believe in... would I feel the same way if I were not so close. I cant say for sure... which makes me think its a revenge feeling and I am not so sure that is right either...
But it has made me think a lot on the topic...

 

Kundalini

Bill O'reilly has an interesting solution. He feels that we should abolish the death penalty and substitute it with life in prison consisting of hard manual labor, 12 to 15 hours per day.

I too struggle with my view on the DP. My religeous beliefs say NO. (Well, I guess that depends on which testiment) It's hard to say how I would feel if someone I loved was murdered. I think I would go for the eye for an eye thing but who knows. I hope you can find closure somehow.

 

I think the eye for an eye is a good thought, but thats puts the gun in my hand... not sure I could do it...
which ads another point, if you support it, than you should be able to pull the trigger right?

 

Yea, not only that but then you might be the one on death row. It seems that people that get away with atrosities against other human beings do get theres in one way or another. Maybe some bubba will make this guy his unwilling lover or something.

 

True enough, but then again he might like it
I have dealt with this issue for so long that it is almost hard for me to have a strong opinion one way or another...
While I was at the final hearing just a couple of years ago, the opposing lawyer found me at my hotel and gave me all the paperwork for his side of the case... to be fair I read it all then I got drunk....
I still felt the same way but at least I tried.

cwb
didnt mean to hijack your thread
this is such a tricky subject