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Old Feb 8, 2004 | 10:32 AM
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Toe'd Out

91 F-150 5.0 AOD 44 IFS 31x10.5x15 no lift.
Okay, heres my thing........
I noticed my wheels toe'd out a month or so ago. I think it has increased a little over this month, as I feel the front end is lwer also. I havent found any noticable damage to the front end bushings. I havent pounded anything to bounce the alignment out. I was wondering if 115k miles is enough to wear out the springs? I have been told the springs dont sag that much, that fast, its slow process. I just had hub bearings redone 2 days ago. The mechanic didnt notice anything obvious wrong up front.

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Old Feb 8, 2004 | 06:19 PM
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I replaced the front springs on my pickup at about 100,000 miles. The inside treads of the tires were worn bald. The wheels were also noticably toed in. This fixed the problem. The springs were not cheap ($180). This is a common problem with TTB.
 
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Old Feb 8, 2004 | 11:57 PM
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The springs on my 95 4x4 started to sag at about 70,000. I replaced them at 100,000 when I noticed severe negative camber and toe out. The springs I bought (and would recommend) are from NAPA, part #277-5390. They are a progressive rate severe duty spring with a 3/4 ton rating. On my extended cab, the ride is noticably stiffer, but not harsh. I am definitely happy. If you know someone you can pick them up for about $85, if not, upwards of $130. DO NOT try to use regular 3/4 ton springs. They are shorter and will make your truck look like a low rider. Good luck
 
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Old Feb 9, 2004 | 06:26 AM
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I spend my fair share of time in NAPA. Thaniks. I'll stop by, but I wont get a discount. I was looking at these springs here. I dont have a lift, but from what I hear, an extra 1 or 2 is easily remedied in the alignment. Did those NAPA springs make you at least level? I would guess theres any extra inches in them.
From the posts, I'm gonna go ahead and call it the springs and go from there.


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Old Feb 9, 2004 | 06:03 PM
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Originally posted by 4x4flareside
The springs on my 95 4x4 started to sag at about 70,000. I replaced them at 100,000 when I noticed severe negative camber and toe out. The springs I bought (and would recommend) are from NAPA, part #277-5390. They are a progressive rate severe duty spring with a 3/4 ton rating. On my extended cab, the ride is noticably stiffer, but not harsh. I am definitely happy. If you know someone you can pick them up for about $85, if not, upwards of $130. DO NOT try to use regular 3/4 ton springs. They are shorter and will make your truck look like a low rider. Good luck
Dang, I wish I could have found them. I bought mine from Ford.
 
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Old Feb 10, 2004 | 02:16 PM
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My front end seems to wonder a bit and every thing looks tight. Will the new coils help me out as well?
 
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Old Feb 10, 2004 | 04:06 PM
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The springs brought me close to level, but higher than when it was new from the factory. Yours just looks so bad now because they are collapsed. I didn't think mine was going to come up as much as it did. Four things to keep in mind on new springs is free height, installed height, load rate(capacity) and spring rate(compression in lbs/in.). Compare these when shopping. Napa has these numbers in th back of their spring book. The first springs you list should bring you back to stock but slightly stiffer(get the numbers and compare). The second ones will level the truck but you might be looking at some xtra parts to get proper alignment. According to a local 4WD shop(NW OHIO), depending on the current alignment bushings on the top ball joint, you could end up going the other way and having too much positive camber, and the caster could be affected too. This means you could need new alignment bushings and special adjustable radius arm bushings. This means an xtra $50-$100 in parts, plus probably a $100 (or more) alignment. I'm finding out there is a reason the GOOD lift kits cost so much. Anyway, on my extended cab, I just bought the springs(after much research) and had it aligned at the dealer for $60. The springs brought everything back in spec except for the toe which was so far off anyway I knew it wasn't going to come back in (except for an alignment adjustment). But, that's what happens when you drive over stuff you shouldn't. Hope this helps.
 

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Old Feb 10, 2004 | 04:29 PM
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4x4flareside, where are you from? I am located in Elyria just west of Cleveland.
 
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Old Feb 10, 2004 | 04:34 PM
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RTM,

Double check the ball joints, tie rods and other suspension and steering parts first. I had a wander in mine and found multiple problems that made it so bad. Things like a bad radius arm bushing, axle pivot bushings, excessive play in the steering gearbox (that couldn't be adjusted out) and slop in the steering shaft. If and ONLY if all this checks out, and the front wheels have alot of negative camber,and are toed out, then your springs are probably bad. The wander is a symptom of the bad alignment and the bad alignment is a symptom of the bad springs, but again, ONLY if everything else checks out. The steering gearboxes on these Fords are a good culprit for causing wander, so check that carefully,along with the shaft up to the column.
 
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Old Feb 10, 2004 | 04:35 PM
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Old Feb 11, 2004 | 06:37 AM
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On a good road my truck will drive as straight as anything. If the road has the wave to it from tire tracks it will pull to one side. It has had the ball joints just replaced by the PO on the drivers side.

I will get under it again to see if anything is worn or loose.
 
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Old Feb 11, 2004 | 02:35 PM
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Thank you flareside. Thats just the info I was looking to hear. Thank you much.
I spent a whole summer in Toledo one weekend. What a ride.
 
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Old Feb 18, 2004 | 09:55 PM
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Not a problem, glad to help. Let me know how it works out. Just reinstalled my winch on the front of mine (after rebuilding the Warn multimount receiver) and took a measurement. Truck dropped only 1/4 inch. Not bad for an extra 125lbs. out in front of the bumper (plus the receiver was already installed).
 
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