btw, no need for rear fill in a truck, imo.

 

first of all, i wanna say thanks alot for all the advice, i think i'm leaning towards the cdt's since that seemed to be the most popular vote for the money, if not, maybe the kickers. what amp would i need for the cdt's? at least like how do u know how much power you need in an amp? thanks again

 

Depends on the power handling of the speakers. The CDT's want 100per side. YOu need an amp that will do 100X2 @ 4ohm. The difference between the 2 brands is day and night.

If you heard the two side by side and honestly preferred the Kickers id kiss your *** on film and post it here.

Buy what you want, the kickers are cheaper. In every sense of the word. Take it FWIW.

 

Correction...and amp that did 100 per would be nice, you dont need it. These speakers will kick butt with only 50 per side. 50X2@4ohm will work as well.

YOur looking at about 200 or less via ebay. If you got a 5 channel amp you could run all four "highs" and you sub/subs, just a thought.

 

renegade, and really anyone that wants to post, what brand amp would you recommend, i've heard alot about MTX, but i don't know, like i said probably going with the CDT's

 

Hey Renegadesrun, I've heard both and still prefer my Kicker Resolutions...get your camera rolling!

Your going after he said-she said...what you've read on the net, have you ever even honestly heard the Kicker Resolutions?

 

Well, "FWIW....."

From someone who HAS OWNED both; there is very little difference in sound quality (with the CDT's being slightly superior, but it is my belief this is beacuse of a better engineered crossover network and not the driver and tweeter.) Anyways, I'd give the kickers the nudge as far as construction and durability. Overall, the differences are minimal at best. Definitely not "day and night."

BTW; the CDT's are rated at 80W.

 

Yea, thats why i posted. If i hadnt heard the both, i wouldnt have had anything to say. You dont know anything about me, i dont even know why you opened your trap.

Step in this place and hardly anyone has heard of CDT. Make a smartass comment to make a point and not only have ppl seen them, but they have heard them next to Kickers! Wow. It amazing what can happen overnight. I smell BS.

I look around and think about the crunch, PA, other crap brands ecommended, some guy saying "imaging" is unimportant. I just consider the sources.

Not my first day in audio the power handling recomendations were given from actual experience. 100w is not too much, and 50w is not too little, and leave option open for the amp. Not many do exactly 75 x 4. OH........your one of those that stuck on stupid on power rating....my bad.....yes dude you can ONLY run a 75 w amp to these, because thats what the site suggests. wtfe.

Im sorry, am i not fitting in with the Walmart shoppers here? Shame to see so many ppl defending crap brands. Enjoy your resolutions.

 

Yea, I smell something too...I think its coming from your pie hole, it does smell like what you mentioned !!!

I suppose you have a "trained or learned ear" haha. You've been caught up in the ads for your over the top wonderful speakers, Mr WalMat!They got you! Ever done an honest blind test on these two brands?? There it is...I smell it again.

Nobody is saying that they (CDT) are bad, in fact they are good. You just have your head so far buried that you are caught up in product branding...get over it! I do enjoy my Resolutions, along with Focals in another vehicle Alpines in one and MB Quarts in another. I also like my Solobarics that are in with the Resolutions. I suppose my ear isent properly trained if I like them all?With all of these running on PPI PC and art series amps, the Resolutions hold up to all of them, I know.

Whats up with getting your panties in a wad about the power rating??Your the only one that had two posts regarding power rating Einstein.

Shame to see someone so arrogant and ignorant that they dislike a entire brand.Oh, thats right, you consider yourself more experienced than all of us. yea right, it shows.haha

 

I have personally bought sold and or installed any brand i mention. Experienced? Maybe, more informed, maybe as well. I cant say what you think would sound better, i knew that and posted anyway. I might never learn.

This is just one of those times of the year that everyone is getting bored and updating and everywhere i look i see where commercialization is winning the battle in the car audio arena.

And everytime someone brings up a brand that isnt mainstream, whos quality of build, customer service, and dependability far exceeds that of mainstream, someone has something stupid to say. This perhaps wasnt the case, and if it was i guess that the only battle i may have won.

YOu have that right, i shouldnt "have gotten my panties in a wad".

I have turned a few friends locally on to CDT, and the deal theZeb has going, one of which had the resolutions. In HIS car, the difference was day and night. They were warmer than the resolutions (which WERE warm!), had tighter bass, and got louder, with more clarity, with the same power IMO. I was like.....dont tell me i just did this! The CDT will get much louder with the same power, i noted.

I ammended the power rating because i used the word NEED originally. Much too often thrown around.

Please do not pigeonhole me as a person who knows nothing simply because i didnt repeat letter for letter the spec. In my ACTUAL experience, they excell with 100w put can be run with much satisfaction at only 50. After years of watching these products, listening to installs, and pouring over info on each new brand (as a forum owner, its just not good a thing to run around recommending anything less than brands or specific items that have little or no issues) to know each product before i recommend. Along with the recommendation is proper power handling. You obviously know enough about car audio to understand that rated specs are often not what they seem. This is also a case. I guess if you can find an amp that does 90 exactly out of the box (which btw, since you know so damn much IS the power handling spec of a cl 6.1) we can just go ahead and make 2 videos.

50 to 100watts, and if you know how to install and tune........150 for that matter. The advice stands i dont care what CDT says. Adire says i can run more on my Brahma, but actual tests show no real gains over 500-700.....but the site says 1000. Run twice as much to a low level JL sub and rock on.....do it to a Infinity or Pioneer and buy new subs. Its all different.

You sure as hell wont find what i have at walmart. Take any piece of equipement i currently have.....match it with your fav current fanboy Circuit City/ wally world buy. I paid less. Must have been blind luck, cuz i dont know anything.

RF/Denon rfx8250 20 bit d/as copper chassis balanced .... 212 shipped NIB plat2000ti edition

Aura 5 channel (capable of 1275 running full tilt with 14.4) 114 shipped NIB

Aura Force 639's NIB 65 shipped

12" Brahma Mark 1 (lightly used) 150 shipped

1 Kove ZX1000 (700w@4ohms) 170 shipped

Kove, Adire, Aura, Denon.....damn right i read the ads, they are actually worth reading.

Once again, i dont reign as the arrogant king......i love ROUND Kicker Solos, and old Kicker amps. My second sub, 15 years ago, was a Kicker, and i ran it for 8 years and sold it for what i paid. I could run a new kicker 8 minutes and not get half my money. I do find the L7 interesting, but it require more enclosure skills than i ever plan to posess to get them to sound clean. Very loud tho.....love to watch ppl make the SPL comparison with those and round speakers as if there is no advantage. Of course in many apps they will be louder........combined it half again as much cone area for the pair. Dependable? Not as much as many less than mainstream companies. Kickers tolerances dont have top be as exacting as say RE. The massive ad campaign that draws ppl in to buy more than covers the returns.

I know a bunch, but not all, and not a whole lot of the tech side. I just really really like car audio, i never made claim to knowing more than i do except to say unequivically, that CDT is better sounding than Kicker. I cant make that decision for you.

A bet is a bet, bring the speakers, i have the amp and camera.

The Kicker VS CDT arguement is not exclusive to here. There is more than one post on every major car audio forum discussing the same, and it seem the lines are clearly drawn between the two.


BTW, you want a A100 to go with your collection? I have one for sale, just so happens.

 

I believe the CDT's are more sensitive-91? vs the Kicker is-I beleive 89, so yes CDT's will play louder at the same given power than Kicker Resolutions.Never had a bit of problem in the clarity arena on the Resolutions, feed em clean power and they in turn pump out clean sound. But,as we both agree, everyone may like a little different sound output, so I prefer the "brighter" sound in my truck. Funny though, I like both Klipsh for blasting and Aerial Acoustics for kicking back, so I do like alot of different sounding speakers.

I dont compare prices of what I bought off the internet vs. ANY retail outlet...thats apples to oranges. I agree that most high end products are better than alot of the lower priced or mass marketed items, but some of the mass marketed stuff can be bought off the net too, for pennies on the dollar. I dont knock anyone just for owning a particular product. The guy that likes his crunch amp, thats cool, it probably works just fine for him, thats why he's happy with it. Nothing wrong with that...yea, of course theres always something better, no matter how far up you go, theres always another rung on the ladder. But theres no reason to knock it as long as it works for him.

As far as dependabiity on the Resolutions (I'm just speaking about the Resolutions, not the entire Kicker line) I've owned them for years and moved them between three vehicles now...not even a hiccup and I religiously Feed them much more power than they were rated for too. So in my book, thats pretty darn good build quality!

Hang onto that camera...it's too darn cold back where you are right now for the ad campaign.

Take Care.

 

You dont want my PPI Art A100? Aww man, i really dont feel like listing anything this weekend.

Im not sure, i would think they would be in the 90's, without looking i wouldnt know. Would definitely explain them being noticeably louder.

The Crunch......problem here is, ppl in the know are few and far between, and whats good for one guy may not be best for everyone. Occasioanlly ppl in the know miss a post where someone has written off the advice as solid, and it isnt. Just tried to clear that up. While the Crunch works well for Bill, i assure you, he is one of the lucky ones. I dont mind the fact that Bill has a Crunch, the man can run wtfe he wants. I do mind when they end up on my forum and other i frequent with problems with their "bang for the buck" pos and want to know what to do.

Im not saying spend more money......ill back anything up by finding a deal on anything, im saying dont tell everyone its a good amp.

The fact is.....its not. Sorry. I dont need to argue this one. Get a real amp, get the crunch, take the covers off. I dont have to say another word about this do i? You know where this is going.

Only a blind man could miss why the Crunch is priced where it is.

 

Sorry, no more PPI today, got a few extra pieces stashed away already.

Yea, anybody who buys a 1500 watt amplifier on the web for $45 with shipping should know that it probably wont perform like a quality piece. The old addage "you get what you pay for" still holds true here. But I havent nessasarily fount that less expensive means it wont last, it just doesnt have the same quality on the output end of the unit. I've got a 20+ year old Audiovox VCR thats still in use in my Daughters room, It was inexpensive when I bought it, Audiovox's reputation hasent changed any, bottom of the barrel then. It still has lasted an awfully long time though. The quality of the picture and audio...well, its still about the same as it was, not great, but still working. Heck, for that matter I've got a 30+ year old Panasonic receiver that I still use in the garage. That piece dident cost squat new, but it still pumps out the same noise it did way back then. So, what I'm getting at is cheap doesnt mean it wont last, just that you have to be realistic about what your getting for what you pay. You get what you can based on your situation at the time. I've always tried to get the best that I can afford, and many years ago that wasent very much!

Yep, Only a blind man could miss why some items are priced where they are! Especially the ones with the outragously high power claims selling for almost free!

 

You dont know anything about me, i dont even know why you opened your trap.
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I just had to open my trap because I have heard both and in this application the difference was negligible....

Both had excellent frequency response when pushed hard...
neither got harsh or crackled....

I look around and think about the crunch, PA, other crap brands ecommended, some guy saying "imaging" is unimportant. I just consider the sources.
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WHoever said imaging is unimportant has their priorities elsewhere....it doesn necessarily mean it is right or wrong....

I personally like excellent imaging and rear fill, yes...even in a truck (given that most trucks now are double cab trucks...)

Not my first day in audio the power handling recomendations were given from actual experience. 100w is not too much, and 50w is not too little, and leave option open for the amp. Not many do exactly 75 x 4. OH........your one of those that stuck on stupid on power rating....my bad.....yes dude you can ONLY run a 75 w amp to these, because thats what the site suggests. wtfe.
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Hmmm perhaps it isn't the power rating of the amp....the concern should lay in the total harminic distortion ratings....where the amp begins to clip....as this is what usually blows any speaker...by overheating the voice coils.

Clean power is the way to go.

Im sorry, am i not fitting in with the Walmart shoppers here? Shame to see so many ppl defending crap brands. Enjoy your resolutions.
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There is two sides to a coin.......am I a complete fool for going out and purchasing Class D amps for my full ranges? The mere fact you are pointing fingers shows your regarding others recommendations.

MOst recommendations were made with a limited budget in mind
and was done with courtesy in mind......

If you feel like I am defending crap branded amps.....let me know...
I happen to have an RTA and can test many configurations....

With over 16 years of experience, none of us can go wrong.

 

Capone, chill man. We all have different expectations from car audio. Given his budget, there are only so many options to pick from. I could tell you negatives about the Kickers (muddy midrange that needs a decent eq to overcome), CDT's (muddy/boomy midbass), Alpine Type R's (3-10k is just too harsh...again, a decent eq can tame it though, at the expense of much lower output...to the ear), MTX amps (current hungry), Crunch (crap, but will do the job if all you want is better-than-stock), PA (same as Crunch), blah, blah, blah.

It seems the original poster wanted budget recommendations. If you don't have a reference system to compare to, all the above mentioned will sound a hell of a lot better than what Ford puts in their auto's. Now, if he had a slightly larger budget, with different expectations, then most of these recommendations would blow...:-/