[updated:LAST EDITED ON 20-Jun-02 AT 01:22 AM (EST)]In the words of Rodney King...."Can't we all just get along?";-)
I'm bowing out of this one now.
Y'all have fun!
Brian A

 

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 20-Jun-02 AT 04:28 AM (EST)]>Grammar is a reflection of not only one's education but also
>the level of one's attitude toward their self respect. I
>can see a writer's occasional mis-spelling while hastily
>composing thoughts upon the keyboard, or paper. This is
>human nature. However, any composition that is rife with
>grammatical errors is really just a reflection upon the
>writer. I make no judgements because everyone has their own
>way of participating in the forums. Yet I do think that
>everyone who reads the presentations in any forum does form
>an opinion about the author when they read the text. It is
>just a matter of how one wishes to be perceived among the
>public at large. They may not even care about that
>perception. When you can not communicate with someone face
>to face, and you only have their written thoughts and the
>way they are expressed to form your opinion, one cannot help
>but take these visual clues and substitute them for what is
>missing, ie the face to face contact and the concepts we
>form in that venue of dialogue. Reading and examining the
>text actually takes the place of the concepts we form
>through visual face to face perceptions.
>I will leave the psychology to the psychologists, but I
>think it is a good idea to construct your forum
>presentations with the best possible grammar & syntax so as
>to engender the most respect you can receive in this
>particular forum of communication. F-3 Brien


I Love this stuff. People yack and yack and tear into some one, yet they make the same mistakes that they are yacking about.


Comma after education, but....
It is MISSPELLING not mis-spelling
No comma after keyboard, or.........sentence should go on to include "This is human nature. "... keyboard or paper, this is human nature.
It is CANNOT not can not
No comma after However
Singal space after a "period" not double
No paragraphic separation


There you have it, seven mistakes in only one paragraph. Why do people try to impress others with knowledge they seem to lack in? NO ONE IS PERFECT!! If we were the world would sure the hell be a dull place to live.


PS Chuck 6083 ............ A+ perfect post:+

 

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 20-Jun-02 AT 10:32 AM (EST)]Doh!!!
I'm with icelander.
I AIN'T SAYIN A FRICKIN WURD!!!
Good job, buddy.

 

You know all of you that THINK you are better then us non-spelling poor garnered idiots can truly ite me!!!!!!! You have no and I repeat no place to judge anyone on this site.

If I wouldn't of paid for my FTE membership I would never come back to this site do to the self centered arrogant pansy @ss's that think they are better then other folks.

Ken, I have little to no intention to recommend this site or to pay again to be told by people like Brian and Million that I am not worthy to post on this site since I spell poorly and don't use proper grammar.

All, Everyone of you that are so much better then the rest of us I will not take the time to **** on you if you where on fire.


P.S. Please anyone else that thinks this mean of these folks go and rate them for what they are worth I know I will.

 

Re: PSD Power & Yeti......Boy "shure" as I said: "if the shoe fits wear it" It seems "someone" may care more about "judgement" than others. Projection can be very difficult to recognize, even more so by those who engage in it. Implication is only assumption upon the party of those whom assume. Please be "sure" not to assume anything that is not is written. I think the saying goes: "Believe only half of what you see, and nothing of what you hear". I will refer you to winford's
response on 6-19-02 where he points to this very issue. I really don't care if one requires a thesaurus or a dictionary to understand or participate in these forums. If this is their way of being sarcastic in this forum, it is only a reflection upon themselves. It is really just a matter of one's own self image they wish to project to the forum's participants. They may not even care at all. I will not apologize for my style of writing, as I am very comfortable with it. I have said this before. This issue really "does'nt" matter much, but it seems to have struck a nerve in this forum. I just observe, respond, and have a great time doing it. F-3 Brien

 

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 20-Jun-02 AT 11:40 AM (EST)]>Singal space after a "period" not double

I don't mean to be picky, but this isn't really correct - using a double-space after a period has traditionally been the proper way to do it and is what a lot of us learned in school. It is only recently that a single space has become "acceptable", and in professional writing I think a double-space is still considered the proper technique...a single space is more commonly reserved for informal writing. Back in the olden days, we lost points on college essays if we used a single space after a sentence...though perhaps times have changed and they aren't paying attention to that sort of thing anymore. A few of the other corrections are a bit iffy, but I'm going to leave those alone because I agree with the message behind your post - that all of us make mistakes and none of us have the right to belittle others just because they don't meet our idea of "perfection".

Personally, I really don't give a rat's hindquarters about using proper grammar on a bulletin board - if I really cared I'd be on a grammar bulletin board someplace, and I can imagine how exciting THAT would be. I don't ask my mechanic to pass an English exam before working on my truck, and I don't really care what kind of grammar or spelling people use just as long as I can understand the point of their post. Does poor spelling or grammar make their points less valid? Are any of us going to follow the advice of a good speller who doesn't know what a spark plug is, while ignoring the advice of a guy who's been a Ford mechanic for 20 years but used an apostrophe in the wrong place? Phbbbbbttt! (Did I spell that right?)

I'll admit that it is difficult to get to know someone via their postings on a bulletin board - but trying to judge their intelligence or education by the grammar and spelling they use isn't a very good way to do it. For example, I've never been able to get the proper sarcastic tone to come through properly, and I've had NO luck whatsoever with the sneer or the evil grin...so despite all my efforts to the contrary, sometimes my true nature is hidden and I come through as a halfway decent guy.

LK

p.s. I just realized that I made a post in which I corrected something and then said that we shouldn't correct people. D'oh!! Now I have to add being a hypocrite to my extensive list of character flaws.

 

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 20-Jun-02 AT 12:22 PM (EST)]Bowing back in now, I will reenter the fray..........
>
>Ken, I have little to no intention to recommend this site or
>to pay again to be told by people like Brian and Million
>that I am not worthy to post on this site since I spell
>poorly and don't use proper grammar.
>
>All, Everyone of you that are so much better then the rest
>of us I will not take the time to **** on you if you where
>on fire.
>
>
>P.S. Please anyone else that thinks this mean of these
>folks go and rate them for what they are worth I know I
>will.


Odie,
Who licked all the red off your candy today? Boy, did you ever get up on the wrong side of the bed !!!
You appear to have taken this WAY to personally. You specifically singled out Million and I as telling you "you are not worthy to post on this site". Say WHAT !?!?!?
Where did I (or Million) ever even hint at such a silly thing???
Those who know me here, who I count among my "FTE Buddies", know that is not my style. I urge you to review the comments made and examine your position. YOU decided that YOU were being "attacked". Such was NOT the case. Lighten up Odie.
You can encourage others to "rate us for what we are worth", and so do I. If the majority of folks think poorly of Million and I, I would certainly like to know. That would give me reason to examine my own positions and posts. For what it's worth...go back and read Million's response to your "oops, I hit her car" post. Does that sound like comments from someone who thinks you are "not worthy' to post here?

I saw the "-" rating you gave me. You are certainly entitled to do that if that is "what you think I am worth". It's the way the system works. I will not respond in kind - it would be kind of childish in my opinion.
Aren't you guilty of doing exactly what you said we have no right to do..."judging others" ??
If I ever burst into flames, I'll be sure to look for someone else to "**** on" me. Good grief............

I seem to hear the sounds of a lock clicking in the distance.....

Brian A

 

"Who let the dogs out?....wolf....wolf....wolf..wolf. Who let the dogs out?....wolf....wolf....wolf..wolf."

 

Where's Mom when you need her with those words of wisdom like:
"Now, you kids fight nice"
"Go to your rooms until you think can play nice"
and my favorite
"Just wait until your father gets home"

Seriously, I don't normally chime in on these conversations, I usually just read the posts and get out. There's been many posts that I've really thought about posting to, but my better judgment overcame and led me out of them.
"If you don't take it personally, it won't become personal."

I could care less whether I or anybody else uses proper grammar or types/spells correctly. If you ever talk to me in person, you would know that I have a touch of "Redneck", but having to type my own letters at work has helped in my typing & writing skills.

I find these boards educational, amusing and fun. I like asking questions and getting very useful and polite help from people I don't even know. I also enjoy helping others when I can. That's the whole purpose of these boards.

(P.S. I was also taught to put "2" spaces between sentences.)

Carlene

 

Brienobrien,

Just out of curiosity, what does the sarcasm in my post reflect about me? More importantly, how do you know in fact, I intended there to be sarcasm read into my reply? Since it seems you are and expert in the English language among others, is it now for me to assume you are an expert in human behavior?
I was just stating the fact, that due to my poor grammar, it would perhaps behoove someone in my position to refer to a thesarus when a person such like yourself uses such eloquent words in their writtings.

You see, when reading an individual's writings in these forums, it is difficult to interpose the proper emphasis on certain words, thus, making it easy for one to take what was written, out of context.

I generally do not reply to such posts as these, for I beleive they are meant to single out individuals weaknesses, and in this setting, poor grammar does not negate the knowledge that most of the members here are willing to share with me and others.

With that said, I just like putting smiley faces on my posts, it makes my hole day worth while!

 

Wayne: You are somewhat correct and I stand corrected. I also pointed out that these postings are only reflections of what we wish to project to others. Where in my text did I "tear into anyone"? Examine your own text with regard to "tearing into someone". Where do you get the idea I was trying to impress people in an area for which I lack the knowledge? This is pure speculation upon your part. It may well be a case of pychological projection, I don't know? I am not trying to play psychologist or editor here. I am comfortable with my style of writing. You can be the forum's editor if you so choose, but then you have missed the point of what I have stated all along. No judgements, just plain dialogue. I am not out to impress anyone, just offering opinions on what I read. I refuse to apologize for my style of writing, nor do I expect anyone else to. This is not a competition to see who can get an "A+" in writing. Where did that come from? We could nit pick each other forever but what is the purpose of it? My one and only point throughout this entire thread has been a posting is merely a reflection upon those who do the posting. PERIOD! The single space and paragraph issue is factor of my keyboard skills. I have tried at times to space certain sentences and structure paragraphs in postings, but sometimes they post differently. I don't know why, probably keyboard skills again. I really don't care how my writing style is perceived because it is just a reflection upon my personality and style to the reader. It certainly is a reflection of my keyboard skills. I am comfortable in the manner of my self expression and that is all I really care about. Others make assumptions from the text and then interpret it in their own way. It results in some amusing dialouge. Again, I am here for the fun and the dialouge, and certainly don't take myself as seriously as some would have others believe. F-3 Brien

 

{Large Aussie Priest dons mud boots and jumps in}

I attempt at all times to make my thoughts in writing legible; As to grammar, I am the result of an amazing school system that relied entirely on the strange noises coming out of a garbled side band radio class. The nearest school to my home was over 300 miles, and by the time the many times relayed radio broadcast arrived at my Ham International Multi Band Transceiver, most of the finer parts of grammar, and spelling had been left somewhere up the line. So, to allow those who insist on good presentation of subject in a post, I plead mitigation.. I will, as always, attempt to convey my thoughts legibly, though I offer no guarantees. Every day I give thanks to the nice people who wrote the ever so useful software stand alone spell checker I have used for the last few years. It tries very hard to keep at least my spelling somewhere near acceptable.

Wm
'96 F450 White with Grey interior Crew Cab. Banks Turbo, Intercooler and Exhaust,
Power pack Chip, shift kit, Auxiliary transmission, electronic enhanced transmission control,
16 forward and 4 reverse ratios. 340hp 660ft lb 4 wheel drive, 4.10 gears, 12,ooo# winch

 

Yeti: I only wrote: "if this..is being sacastic". How am I supposed to know what you mean. I only saw what you posted. I also wrote that I really did not care if someone had to use a thesaurus or a dictionary when participating in these forums. How am I supposed to know your writing skills? Sorry if you are offended. Where do you get "expert in English language and human behavior" from? I said that? Did you say in that post you were poor in grammar and the English language? If you did I missed it. I was not aware that I was so eloquent in my writing. Try reading George Will. I did not single you out to point out any weakness at all. You did that yourself in your response. Please read my posts carefully before you accuse me of stating something that I did not write. I think what happens in these forums, with touchy subjects like this one, is people read all of the postings and confuse them. They attribute something written by someone to someone else. Batlle lines then become drawn and the fracas begins. I can see now how this stuff spins out of sorts. No matter, I am still having a good time here. F-3 Brien

 

Brien,

I assumed you were addressing me, when I saw my name posted along with PSD power's. If so, what were you trying to convey to me?
If nothing, why would you include my name?

P.S Are ther pictures in any of George Wills books?

 

Yeti: I am very surprised at the turns this thread has taken. I fully agree with you about the FTE folks, a fine bunch indeed. However, sometimes confusion can get the better of us, and I think I see some in this thread. I also agree with you 100% with regard to your take on the grammar issue. I am only concerned for myself and what I post when it comes to grammar, syntax, and spelling. I don't judge anyone but myself on this issue. I am not posting to influence anyone and I do not pretend to be an expert in any field. I only read the postings and respond to make MY views public. It does not matter to me if strangers like me or not. I would think this childish if it directed my motivation to write. I don't intend to insult or be mean to anyone for holding views different from mine. In fact, I welcome spirited debate. I am not so naive or arrogant to think everyone must agree with me. I am always ready to stand alone to defend my ideas and listen to others that may change them. I only care about two things: reading the postings, and how may I respond to them. The debates are fun and the free technical information is a bonus. I learn alot from the postings and this is why I come to FTE.
Lastly, if I offend anyone with my writing or views, it is unintentional, and surely born out of confusion. I think the forum will find my postings fair, respectful, and sometimes even controversial. I don't want to be "large" in anything. You know, I did'nt even start this fire, yet I took most of the heat for it. Enjoyed it very much and I look forward to future visits as well. Thank you for your understanding, and I will touch base in Super Duty, but I may not be silent. F-3 Brien
PS I have a 96 Ranger as well.