My wifes surburban has 105K on it and it has never seen the shop. I will agree chebs are not really made for work though. My wish is not to get a cheb but a ford with RWS but if that option is not an option then I might have to look else where.

The wife wants something smaller so the surburban is on the way out soon amd I now have a TT so I don't need the 5er hitch. So the problem I have now is I don't like the 8.0 cheb and the 6.0 will not do what I need so???? I might end up with an X V10 if it get's a new trans soon. If the sub had the Duromax with the RWS I would really be interested if the X had RWS with the PSD or V10 I would own one now.

 

Beware of the bowtie, see my previous post about my friend's truck. I also have a lady friend who has a 99 Cavalier that recently developed a sunroof with a mind of it's own. A co-worker also just had "something fall into one of [her] cylinders" and "a warped intake" on her 96 monte carlo with 68000 miles. The dealer charged her of $5000 for a new v6 installation. I'm not hating, i'm just stating the facts. Everyone I know who has had a chevy over the long haul has had it basically fall apart a few thousand miles after the warranty.

Thanks for the debate, daimon1054. I like people as stubborn as me. =)

 

Another 2 cents worth. A coworker of mine purchased a chevy truck with the rear wheel steer about 1 year ago. He had to go about 400 miles to find one on a lot. He has since gotten rid of it because of the nightmare repairs with the rear wheel steering. Although everything was covered by warranty, it was still a major inconvienence every 3 or 4 weeks . He said that the service techs didn't seem to know a thing about how to troubleshoot the system and the replacment parts always took about a week or more to get. He finally sold the truck at a huge loss and purchased a new F250 supercab about 2 months ago.

 

i saw an article in a boating magizine about a 2500 suburban that had the quadrastear, as i remember the magizine realy liked it for its towing maner. they thought that it towed very well. the thing they were raving about was its ability to back a boat down a ramp with short swing room. i had to back a frends suburban and 30' boat trailer down a ramp were the launch is purpindicular to a narrow two lane road. i think rws would have made that a little easer. more manuverability can only be better. i think this would be great for a plow truck, it would reduce the amount of times i would have to punch the clutch in a night. i know i would love it.

many trucks in europe use rsw so its definatly doable the question is did they do it right. ford is defenatly slow to jump on new ideas.

sorry if some spelling is off

 

It si supposed to be nice when changing lans since the rear goes along with you and not fllowing behind. Smooth. The purpose of it is to make the ride smoother and allow more manuvability when going slow. I per sonally would rather have a simple rear end that I wouldnt have to worry about malfunctioning because of a computer glitch and the extra mantainance cost. But I am sure it is nicer to ride in. And I am sorry to inform some of you, but a trucks purpose is no longer it purpose of today. They used to be heavy, loud, all metal, bare bones vehicle to trash and tow/ haul thing (Tim Allen grunt). Its hard to find one with no power and no carpet now these days. But now people drive them to the store and the only dirt they see from the plant to the salvage yard in mud puddles. The MF's must make their trucks lighter, smoother, quieter, smoother. etc and offer just about anything anyone can come up with to sell their truck and lose a seel to a competitor.

For $2,000 Gm may start to see sells increase. But I can see why they didnt sell for $5,000+. This wasnt the first thing controversail being tried on truck nor will it be the last.

 

The RWS is a good idea but needs time to work out all the bugs, just like anything new. If ford would offer it on a superduty it would make plowing alot eaiser. I know the front of my truck can support the weight since with my plow on its right at the 5200 lb weight limit and right around 9000 GVW.
With GM's RWS i thaught they only offered the option on 1/2 ton trucks. Hopefully for will soon offer something simular.

 

I believe the 4WS is for a whole different category of towing than a dually is for. Mostly weight. I 4WS 1/2 ton chebbie won't tow 12,000 pounds of snowbird fifth wheel, it's not made for that. Besides a fifth wheel's towing ease is far greater than that of the traditional travel trailer's anyway. The 4WS would be a boon to us guys who tow TT's, but it won't haul the 4 tip-out, 40' luxury condo that many people camp (is it really camping with 5 channel surround sound, a jetted tub, a king-sized vibrating, tilting bed and an upstairs?) with. I did notice that the 4WS is only offered on the half ton. Why ? I would bet it's because of the reliability issues, it probably can't take all the added weight of a huge fiver. The 4WS system looks very complex, or why would there be so many fail-safes built in ? I have heard of lots of warranty work having to be done on the systems. And even though the work is free under warranty, there's still our time that must be taken to take the thing to the shop, and wait, and pick it up and so on.

All that being said though, if I could get a proven 4WS steer system under my 1 ton V-10 van, I'd do it. It's obvious it tows TT's like a dream. And the ONE time that I had to swerve around some bozo who pulled out in front of my while I have 15,000 pounds of truck and trailer behind me I would call it a good investment, because they are so much safer to tow with.

 

Ken it is also offered in the Suburban 2500. I tow a toy hauler because for work I set up an office in back and I also bring either our quads to go ride or my street bike so I load it up.

 

Yep, I remember that now, it was because it was a Sub, not a pick-em-up that it slipped through this vast storehouse of knowledge I call my brain (yuk-yuk). My guess is that GM offers it on the 2500 Sub and not the p/u is because of the possibility of extremely heavy weight carrying, ie; fivers, goosenecks and the like ? Anyway, I would still buy it if offered by Ford. I tell ya, my 15 passenger E-350 takes 40 acres to turn around. And with all the length from axle to hitch it makes for an interesting time towing, I'd loves that 4WS if I could get it and if it was reasonably priced.

 

I was just on a job with a friend that had a Denali with RWS we needed to make a U so he whipped it around in the road. Took less than 2 lanes, pretty cool, to bad his 6.0 got 13 MPG on the Hwy NO I did not laugh at him. MUCH!

 

Here I am reviving it again. I have never driven a quadrasteer before. But as far as durability is concerned thats another quuestion. And the cost is prohibitive as well. Still dont know if ford will have it in there trucks in the future. I dont know if GM has sold many with it or not. Time will tell.