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Originally posted by ken04
Ford E-series, 7.0 liter V-10 (with hydraulic start-up assist), 3 valve, 425 horse, 495 foot pound (Kenne Bell supercharger option at the factory to deliver 550 hp and 675 ft lbs), 5 speed automatic, 4.10 rear-steer rear-end, all wheel drive, 15 passenger (with easily removable banks of Recaro-type bucket seats), quadruple factory 10" flip down DVD equipped LCD TV's, dual fuel capable with stability control, traction control (switchable), 2005 van. NOW that's what I'm talkin bout !!! Hooty Hoo ! The world's ULTIMATE urban assault vehicle......
I'm ready to place my order.
Ford E-series, 7.0 liter V-10 (with hydraulic start-up assist), 3 valve, 425 horse, 495 foot pound (Kenne Bell supercharger option at the factory to deliver 550 hp and 675 ft lbs), 5 speed automatic, 4.10 rear-steer rear-end, all wheel drive, 15 passenger (with easily removable banks of Recaro-type bucket seats), quadruple factory 10" flip down DVD equipped LCD TV's, dual fuel capable with stability control, traction control (switchable), 2005 van. NOW that's what I'm talkin bout !!! Hooty Hoo ! The world's ULTIMATE urban assault vehicle......
I'm ready to place my order.
The QS sytem is a reworked D60 and appears very stong (visual observation).
I think it is an awesoem idea. As soon as the "Use agreement" is up at GM, (they got 3-4 more years) I'd start looking for it in the Super Duty line. Or at least the F150 line.
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When these axles were first announced they said that GM had exclusive rights to them for two years and then Ford was going to start offering them. Apparently it was some type of joint development deal. I've searched for the articles and saw this one where Ford has seen the slow sales and backed off-
http://www.pickuptruck.com/html/stor...420/page2.html
"Since Ford has essentially taken a pass on the technology for the new F-Series (they saw how slowly it was selling for GM and decided it wasn't worth the effort), that only leaves the Nissan Titan and the next version of the Toyota Tundra. "
http://www.pickuptruck.com/html/stor...420/page2.html
"Since Ford has essentially taken a pass on the technology for the new F-Series (they saw how slowly it was selling for GM and decided it wasn't worth the effort), that only leaves the Nissan Titan and the next version of the Toyota Tundra. "
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all wheel steer
As far as four(or all wheel) steer, it seems that the vehicles it was not offered on are the ones that needed it most - ie, 3500 series 8ft. bed.
I would love to have it on my '99 F250 4wd ext cab 8ft auto.
I'm a retired fire chief, and a company named Pierce offered it on fire trucks, (the system was from Oshkosh), and it made a remarkable difference in manueverability. The system was more elegant than the pickup truck, as it had selectable modes, which included a selectable "crab mode" that turned both sets of wheels together (the same amount) so that you could go down a crowded street "crabbing" from one side to the other, and a mode that allowed joy stick independent control of only the rears.
It also was available on single or tandem axles.
BTW, this is my first post here, but I've read a lot. I recently bought a "99 V10, after a wise guy running from the County Sheriff ran into my 1996 F250 ext cab 4wd 460 8ft and totaled it while it was sitting in front of my house. I like this forum a lot.
I would love to have it on my '99 F250 4wd ext cab 8ft auto.
I'm a retired fire chief, and a company named Pierce offered it on fire trucks, (the system was from Oshkosh), and it made a remarkable difference in manueverability. The system was more elegant than the pickup truck, as it had selectable modes, which included a selectable "crab mode" that turned both sets of wheels together (the same amount) so that you could go down a crowded street "crabbing" from one side to the other, and a mode that allowed joy stick independent control of only the rears.
It also was available on single or tandem axles.
BTW, this is my first post here, but I've read a lot. I recently bought a "99 V10, after a wise guy running from the County Sheriff ran into my 1996 F250 ext cab 4wd 460 8ft and totaled it while it was sitting in front of my house. I like this forum a lot.
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You know, when Motor Trend tested for truck of the year when FWS came out, it was outran in the slalom by not only a Harley f150, but it was blown away by the new Dodge Ram Dually. It seems to me that if you need to tow something, why bother with the fancy bull when an old fashioned dually will outperform it?
Chevy's build quality isn't exactly the best in town, either. My friend's 96 Sierra has already lost a transmission, the TB injectors, the fuel pump, front wheel bearings, the plastic distributer broke, the transmission dipstick tube snapped in two, the windshield wiper motor went out, and he lost a power brake booster. All this on a 2wd v6 without any mods but a flowmaster. How long do you expect FWS to last? Just get a dually, after all, that's what semis have.
Leave FWS to Bigfoot and Gravedigger.
Chevy's build quality isn't exactly the best in town, either. My friend's 96 Sierra has already lost a transmission, the TB injectors, the fuel pump, front wheel bearings, the plastic distributer broke, the transmission dipstick tube snapped in two, the windshield wiper motor went out, and he lost a power brake booster. All this on a 2wd v6 without any mods but a flowmaster. How long do you expect FWS to last? Just get a dually, after all, that's what semis have.
Leave FWS to Bigfoot and Gravedigger.
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Originally posted by 73Fastbackv10
You know, when Motor Trend tested for truck of the year when FWS came out, it was outran in the slalom by not only a Harley f150, but it was blown away by the new Dodge Ram Dually.
You know, when Motor Trend tested for truck of the year when FWS came out, it was outran in the slalom by not only a Harley f150, but it was blown away by the new Dodge Ram Dually.
That is where I see the biggest advantage of the system.
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Never read the test but did they do the slalom with a trailer on the back?
I agree plus who wants a truck that is 20 feet wide so that they can to on the weekends? I am not farmer brown or Joe Shmo the dirt guy I drive as many miles without a trailer as I do with and I did not buy it because it swung through orange cones. FWS make the truck better when towing, parking and tight corners.
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You say you don't want a 20 foot wide truck, well the rear end on a FWS truck is just slightly smaller. I drove one and I think it's cool, but more of a band-aid for people who don't know how to tow. The reason that BMW is considered the ultimate driving machine is because it is a car that you drive, not are driven in. That's how I prefer my vehicles.
I don't expect my Supra to tow like a Super Duty, so don't expect a Super Duty to perform like a Supra. Super Duties are big trucks, that what some day is a draw back, I say it's a good thing. If I wanted a truck that was easy to park, I'd buy a Ranger.
Even my 80 year old Great Grandparents can drive their dually truck. Check BigRed under my gallery to see how big it is.
I don't expect my Supra to tow like a Super Duty, so don't expect a Super Duty to perform like a Supra. Super Duties are big trucks, that what some day is a draw back, I say it's a good thing. If I wanted a truck that was easy to park, I'd buy a Ranger.
Even my 80 year old Great Grandparents can drive their dually truck. Check BigRed under my gallery to see how big it is.
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I tow 50 plus thousand miles a year so I think I might have it figured out and I will still take every advantage I can get. I have no use for a dually and no want for one so I figure if you like them buy them and stop knocking things you have no desire for. If you don't like the RWS great don't buy it and if you don't want your F250 to perfom like you Supra why did you birng up how it handled? Sounds to me like your looking for a reason to not like RWS when you have never tried towing with it.
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Originally posted by 73Fastbackv10
...but more of a band-aid for people who don't know how to tow.
...but more of a band-aid for people who don't know how to tow.
If it makes lane changing safer due to non-whiplashing of the trailer, then I'm all for it!
Really though, it's not like you need a Master's Degree to tow something.
Calling it "a band-aid for those who don't know how to tow" is a bit elitist, wouldn't you say?______________
Oh and since this thread has been revived, I'm going to move it to the Super Duty forum. Where it really belongs.
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At our old ranch, we tow with duallys for stability. That's the key. Chevy markets quadrasteer like it's a rancher's new best friend in the commericials. Ranchers like something simple that doesn't break down, can take abuse, and is the best for the job. Live axles and low end torque are a plus. Having something that's "better when...parking and tight corners" just doesn't fly. It's not what trucks are meant for, that's what I was saying, it's called any analogy. Quadrasteer would probably be good if I lived in an apartment complex or visited many parking structures daily, but that is not what I personally see as putting a truck to good use.
If you have no use for a dually, great, more for the rest of us, but don't try and make it seem like they are only for hill billys and slack jawed yokels.
If you have no use for a dually, great, more for the rest of us, but don't try and make it seem like they are only for hill billys and slack jawed yokels.
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Calling it "a band-aid for those who don't know how to tow" is a bit elitist, wouldn't you say?
By the way, great name.
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If you have no use for a dually, great, more for the rest of us, but don't try and make it seem like they are only for hill billys and slack jawed yokels.
And you brought up the slack jawer yokels so you must see it just like the rest of us do. I had seen duallys that did not even have hitches on them, now who else but a slack jawed yokel is going to buy a 1 ton dual rear wheel truck, lower it and remove all possibility to tow?
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Around where I live, only gang members and field workers lower duallys, and it's never been a Ford or even a Dodge, it's always a Chevy. People lower trucks all the time, is it cool? No, it defeats the purpose of a truck, but it's all trucks they do this to, not just one kind. If you think a dually is a headache to work, try owning a Chevy. All of your safety will be gone because the entire truck is ready to dissentagrate at any point in time.
Just because you had a bad experience with a dually doesn't mean they are unsafe. If they were inferior, then semis wouldn't have then--and all they do is tow and you wouldn't get so wound up over them. If you don't want to use something, that doesn't make it an inferior product. RWS is nice, but I believe a dually is a safer way to go, so I would always opt for that instead. Unless they made a RWS dually... Hmmm... that'd be nice.
Just because you had a bad experience with a dually doesn't mean they are unsafe. If they were inferior, then semis wouldn't have then--and all they do is tow and you wouldn't get so wound up over them. If you don't want to use something, that doesn't make it an inferior product. RWS is nice, but I believe a dually is a safer way to go, so I would always opt for that instead. Unless they made a RWS dually... Hmmm... that'd be nice.
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Different animal - lot less weight and NO towing....
but I had AWS in a Ford product in the late 80's...
A Ford Probe Turbo.... it may have been a Mazda chassis... but still badged ford...
it was more to make the turns quicker for the "sports car" crowd and worked well - and after 100K miles never had a hiccup...
My $.0000002 ?
If they sell it, they'll support it...
if it's something you are concerned about, don't buy it...
or at least get the 100K warranty up front...
but I had AWS in a Ford product in the late 80's...
A Ford Probe Turbo.... it may have been a Mazda chassis... but still badged ford...
it was more to make the turns quicker for the "sports car" crowd and worked well - and after 100K miles never had a hiccup...
My $.0000002 ?
If they sell it, they'll support it...
if it's something you are concerned about, don't buy it...
or at least get the 100K warranty up front...