id hate to see his #2!!!


-nathan

 

And you guys didn't even compliment me on my whieght loss!!!
I think that guy may of ate his family!!!

But his shirt does have a good sig on it!!!

Still thinking if I want to touch that [i]size matters[i/] comment

 

Dang! That picture would be funny... IF it didn't look just like ME!

 

I have been very happy with my 99 V10 CC. Since I do a lot of around town driving I like the quick, quiet, non-stinky startup. Also, gas is readily available anywhere. Maintenance is easy and straight forward. Oh yes, $4-5000 cheaper initial cost.

It has had all the power I have needed to pull a 10,000 lb 5th wheel trailer, even with 3.73 gear ratio. I have pulled the trailer over some fair sized hills between Wisconsin and Virginia. Out west might be a different story but I ain't going there any time soon.

Gas mileage (and range on a tank of fuel) is the main downer, especially when towing, which I only do about 10% of the time.

For me the V10 was the best balance of all the factors, though I would have been happy with the diesel as well.

Pete

 

Another happy V10 owner. I did the calculations when considering PSD or V10 and the V10 won. You need to drive at least 100,000 miles to break even on the upfront cost of that diesel. In my case it's more like 150,000 miles to break even because diesel fuel is more expensive by my house.

So the only reason to buy the diesel is for slightly better towing power and better high altitude towing ability. Otherwise the diesel has way to many disadvantages for me.

Harald

2000 F350 4x4 CC DRW V10 4.30ls Lariat LWB.
Firestone Ride-rite airbags, Rancho RS9000 shocks and Torklift Superhitch.
1998 Alpenlite Pendelton 11'10" camper held on by Torklift tie downs.
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I am also another EXTREMELY happy V-10 owner! I also have the 3:73 rear end. I get good gas mileage, no stink- sorry guys! It is cheaper to own and maintain...... For me, the only choice was the V-10. Like I said, I am extremely happy with it. (4x4, ORP, SC,LB,Lariat)

 

harald
That is exactly why most people I know buy the Powerstroke as well as the added real world towing power.
I've been getting 17-18 mpg max load towing. What have you been getting.

I made up my mind long before I actually bought mine that if I wasn't going to buy the Powerstroke I wasn't buying the Super Duty period.
For my purposes the 5.4 is way too underpowered. I have talked to too many V-10 owners who either flat don't like it or said next time they will get the Stroker. Most complaints I encountered on my quest for the answer was due to the low or lack of gas mileage. I have yet to talk with a fellow Powerstroke owner who doesn't love or at least like it overall. Yeah, there are minor gripes but when it comes down to it the stroker comes through.

Damndest thing though....Most of the people who don't like the Powerstroke have F-250's. Most tell me they ended up with more power than the 250's suspension could really make use of.

That is why I got the SRW 350. I didn't want the dual rear wheels.

But that is another discussion for another time.

 

Most v-10 people I talk to LOVE their V-10.

That aside, if MPG is really your only criteria, you gotta get the deisel.

If $/mile is what you are after, it is a different story. V-10 will be less $/year to operate. You would have a hard time paying off the extra $$$ to get the deisel in the life of the truck, even without adding in the expensive parts and maintenance.

If you tow much, the V-10 tows great. But better with the steeper gears which hurt mpg. The deisel will tow better.

If you want to modify for more power, a chip in the deisel will unlock power a lot more easily than what you can do easily to the V-10.

If you want to drive around without disturbing people, get the V-10.
PSD is not loud for a deisel, but the V-10 is silent in comparison.

Both great engines. Neither perfect.

-Jim 2001 E-450 V-10

 

>harald
>That is exactly why most people I know buy the Powerstroke
>as well as the added real world towing power.
>I've been getting 17-18 mpg max load towing. What have you
>been getting.

You're "handle" sounds appropriate because getting 17-18 mpg max load towing sounds like a bunch of BS (max combined load is 20,000 lbs). I recently talked to a guy with a large camper on his dually like mine and he was only getting 12 mpg with his Powersmoker. Granted, I only get 9 mpg under the same conditions, but that's really irrelevant if your making the only comparison that counts. What's the bottom line cost? His diesel option cost him over $4000 more than my truck. That buys a ton of gasoline! Plus he has higher maintenance costs. Bottom line is that he'll have at least 100,000 miles on his truck before he starts coming out money ahead (and I'm not even figuring in investment returns if I had invested my $4000 instead of buying the diesel).

And the better towing power is overrated. Trailer Life magazine did a comparison of the V10 and Powerstroke and the PSD had surprisingly little towing advantage. It's the April 1999 issue if you care to look it up.

Harald

2000 F350 4x4 CC DRW V10 4.30ls Lariat LWB.
Firestone Ride-rite airbags, Rancho RS9000 shocks and Torklift Superhitch.
1998 Alpenlite Pendelton 11'10" camper held on by Torklift tie downs.
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I had a 2000 PSD 6 speed supercab and put 100K miles on it in less than 2 years I bought a 2001 V10 crew cab.
I looked at the PSD again but first you must pay $5000 more for the PSD then a 14 quart oil change and fule filters which add up to about $120 per service. Even with the miles I drive the fuel milage difference would have to be a hugh to pay for it.
Now as for milage the company I work for had 12 PSD all the same as mine and kept great records. Unloaded we averaged about 19 mpg with a 5th wheel trailer 9 mpg.
My own truck I got 19 hwy and 9 with the trailer. now with the V10 I get 15 mpg hwy and 9.5 with the trailer, thats correct I get better milage towing with the V10 and I never had a problem with power. In town is where you will pay while you will get 16 to 19 with the PSD you will get 10 to 12 with the V10.
Trust me most PSD guys are trying to justify the extra money they spent and will inflate their milage and reduce their operating cost.
If you want a PSD go for it, it is a great motor but do not, let anyone fool you into thinking that you can run it for less than a V10.

 

If you are going to pull a trailer 100% of the time, get the PSD. If you want to get food at a drive through get the V10. Now Monsta, lock this thread!

 

>If you are going to pull a trailer 100% of the time, get the
>PSD. If you want to get food at a drive through get the V10.
>Now Monsta, lock this thread!

What? You want to get the last word in? Sorry.

Harald

2000 F350 4x4 CC DRW V10 4.30ls Lariat LWB.
Firestone Ride-rite airbags, Rancho RS9000 shocks and Torklift Superhitch.
1998 Alpenlite Pendelton 11'10" camper held on by Torklift tie downs.
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I loathe this arguement.

I figure there is enough useful info contained in here that a reasonable person can make up his mind.

Let's stop here, okay?

LOCKED.