sabbots or slugs ?
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From: New York
the new Remington Core-Lock bonded slugs are amazingly accurate. give them a try, although they do run about $12 for box of 5
i shoot out of a Rem 870 wingmaster w/ rifled 20"bbl no scope, just good ole irons
-bigdawg
i shoot out of a Rem 870 wingmaster w/ rifled 20"bbl no scope, just good ole irons-bigdawg
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From: Colorado Springs
Some states
will not allow sabot's in a muzzle loader during muzzle loader season. Sabot's are not considered primative enough. Colorado won't even allow inline muzzle loaders. However any state that allows slugs in a shotgun would have a hard time not allowing "Saboted slugs". They are still slimply a slug. Rifled shotgun barrels won't be damaged by rifled slugs, however accursey will suffer. Rifled barrels are designed for saboted slugs.
The lands and grooves will grip the sabot and spin the projectile. With a soft lead rifled slug the rifling in the barrel will cut across the rifling on the slug.
The lands and grooves will grip the sabot and spin the projectile. With a soft lead rifled slug the rifling in the barrel will cut across the rifling on the slug.
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From: South Dakota
Originally posted by mrwizard
At least Washinton says rimfires are not legal for big game. They require a minimum .24 caliber, which is still on the small side in my opinion.
At least Washinton says rimfires are not legal for big game. They require a minimum .24 caliber, which is still on the small side in my opinion.
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I load both slugs and sabots. I would not even consider a slug on any animal that weighs over 300 lbs. The sabots that I load are 437.5 gr Barnes Solid Hollow Points. They will put a 500 lb hog down in his tracks with one shot. The lead slugs deform far too much for this size animal.
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I'll be more than happy to spit out your little .22 caliber bullets as I'm eating steaks from the deer I shoot with my .300 (or .340 if it's really rainy because it's all stainless).
How exactly is a .300 "excessive" for deer? Is there such a thing as TOO dead? Oh no, I killed my deer too much! Is it more than I need? Yes. Is it too much? No.
Where I hunt, if an animal is allowed to run after being hit, it can very quickly get into terrain that is virtually impossible for humans to get through. I prefer to have the extra power provided by the larger cartridges to help insure the animal stops in it's tracks. I've seen a small cow elk shot perfectly through both lungs with a .340 Wby still run over 100 yards. There is no such thing as "too dead".
How exactly is a .300 "excessive" for deer? Is there such a thing as TOO dead? Oh no, I killed my deer too much! Is it more than I need? Yes. Is it too much? No.
Where I hunt, if an animal is allowed to run after being hit, it can very quickly get into terrain that is virtually impossible for humans to get through. I prefer to have the extra power provided by the larger cartridges to help insure the animal stops in it's tracks. I've seen a small cow elk shot perfectly through both lungs with a .340 Wby still run over 100 yards. There is no such thing as "too dead".
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From: S/C Texas
Its been a few years since I used em......Remington makes a 12ga .50 sabot slug that kicks ***. 1000fps @ 100yrds I was told. It did go fast, it did hit hard, it did leave a very large hole. It did recoil more than any other load I'd put thru my 870. Sweet. I wish I still had my 870, I would love to use that shell for Boar hunting.
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From: South Dakota
Originally posted by mrwizard
I'll be more than happy to spit out your little .22 caliber bullets as I'm eating steaks from the deer I shoot with my .300 (or .340 if it's really rainy because it's all stainless).
How exactly is a .300 "excessive" for deer? Is there such a thing as TOO dead? Oh no, I killed my deer too much! Is it more than I need? Yes. Is it too much? No.
Where I hunt, if an animal is allowed to run after being hit, it can very quickly get into terrain that is virtually impossible for humans to get through. I prefer to have the extra power provided by the larger cartridges to help insure the animal stops in it's tracks. I've seen a small cow elk shot perfectly through both lungs with a .340 Wby still run over 100 yards. There is no such thing as "too dead".
I'll be more than happy to spit out your little .22 caliber bullets as I'm eating steaks from the deer I shoot with my .300 (or .340 if it's really rainy because it's all stainless).
How exactly is a .300 "excessive" for deer? Is there such a thing as TOO dead? Oh no, I killed my deer too much! Is it more than I need? Yes. Is it too much? No.
Where I hunt, if an animal is allowed to run after being hit, it can very quickly get into terrain that is virtually impossible for humans to get through. I prefer to have the extra power provided by the larger cartridges to help insure the animal stops in it's tracks. I've seen a small cow elk shot perfectly through both lungs with a .340 Wby still run over 100 yards. There is no such thing as "too dead".
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From: Kalispell, Mt.
In Montana, we use shotguns in special areas close to town or dwellings where only shotgun, muzzle loader or bow are allowed. The special areas are set up to cut back on crop damage caused by deer. That's the only reason I've ever used a shotgun for deer. Let me tell you... that was some of the best stalking I have ever done. The thickets down by the river were thicker than you can imagine and a shotgun was needed to avoid ricochets off branches and twigs, that a higher power and lighter bullet are famous for. Most of the deer I took by this method were grain fed and you cut the meat with your fork.
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From: Montana Territory
I have and will continue to be comfortable in making 400 yard shots with my setup. I love small fast bullets. I know I can be more accurate with them, and thats why I shoot them. Unlike most guns that will only shoot one brand or weight or design of bullet very well, mine shoots both 100, 117, and 120 grain bullets in Barnes and Core Lokt designs very well. I love this gun, and the 25 year old version of it (I have two) shoots the same with the same types of bullets. I will always hold the 25-06 loading to high standards, it has performed very well.
I know people that have taken everything from prairie dogs to elk and bears, it is truly a universal round.
I know people that have taken everything from prairie dogs to elk and bears, it is truly a universal round.
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I agree with you. A 25-06 is a great round. I just cannot decide whether to get a 25-06 or a 270. Both are great cartriges. They are both flat shooting, long range rounds. I don't know. It will be a hard decision.
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