The idea that illegals are doing the low paid work that Americans don't want is a bunch of bull. They are taking over good paying carpenter and other construction jobs here in the booming S.West housing industry. I mostly thought that "if some's good, more's better" . That's not always true, even pertaining to a fine bourbon. This Country has more than enough aliens, illegal or otherwise.

 

Hello, I dont see why there is even a question about Illegal immigrants. there Illegal. They should be sent back and should be made to go through the correct process to come to our great country. I live in The phoenix Area 3 1/2 hours from the border. I work for a large company here (motorola) Many ,Many latinos work here and are my friends. But they are all legal aliens they get there green card and then apply for citizenship. And talking to my latin friends this is there ideas also. go through the proper channels to get here. We here in my area have to see on our news every night . the killings that go on between the rival coyotes <( people who are paid to bring over the illegals) the drop them off in the desert,leave them with out food water. or stick them in one room apartments they found 75 in a one room apartment last summer no ac 8 dead from heat and suffocation this is a regular occurance here many
many , people die here every year its sad. We need much tighter borders.And I know they they are only here to make a better life for themselfs and there familys. But i guess im kind of a hypocrit because I dont agree with illegal immigration, but on the same token if i need a hole dug or any hard labor needs to be done .I and my Whole community run down to the designated corner and pick us up some illegals to do the work for us. Im sorry im dragging this out . I like Bush, But dont like this idea of his.

 

I agree with you 110%

....except for the 2nd to last sentence...

 

The way I see it, we have two choices. We either make a commitment to close the borders using military force ie. Natl. Guard etc, or we take measures to track the entities that cross our borders. Using the military resources to close the border and impose severe consequences for immigration violations would be political suicide for any president, poitical party, state etc. The opponent party would certainly take advantage of such an action claiming bigotry as the motivation. Hence would reap the hispanic vote, which is huge and growing at an alarming rate.
The right thing to do would be to prosecute and close borders but who could do it successfully? It would simply be overturned later by the successor to the thrown using the race card.
At least Bush is trying to provide Natl. Security. Before we critisize, we need to come up with a solution. I haven't thought of one that would work yet.
Trust me, I'm not in support of open borders and amnesty and all that stuff but see no reasonable solution.

 

If a smart arsed white boy such as myself were to get pulled over without a DL, I'd be in the clink very quickly. Thats how you keep a record of it.

The influx of illegal immigrants from the south isn't like the colonial times. The vast majority of them are field hands, chicken pluckers in Arkansas, and manual laborers. How many doctors, teachers, lawyers, nurses etc. are sneaking over?

 

The next time you eat a Big Mac just know that the reason it was 99 cents is because the dude that handed it to you is making minimum wage.
There's no solution to this problem. Even if the pay was equal in Mexico, their infrastructure is so horrendous in most parts of the country that even the crappiest place in America looks attractive. The roads suck, the water is polluted, the sewer systems are dilapidated or non-existant, the electricity is uneven and unpredicatable, and their education systems are abominable. It's no wonder they flock here. You can live on pennies in Mexico but look HOW they have to live. Until Mexico improves the quality of life in their country it's always gonna be this way.
Let them work here. Whatever. I like cheap tacos and hamburgers. Plus, what are we supposed to do? Kick 'em out? They'll just be back the next month because they know that if they get caught, they are just gonna be sent home. It's a no brainer, really, and if you guys were in their shoes, you would be clammering for the border trying to get over here as fast as you could.
BDV

 

Exactly right. The surest way to reduce this problem in the long run is to allow the flow of dollars south to proceed thereby slowly contributing to a higher quality of life there and the eventual commensurate reduction in the numbers of those who would want to immigrate legally or otherwise.

 

I'm going to call B.S. on this. The U.S. was built by the people with some strokes of genius from the government on a few cases (i.e. adoption of the Constitution, Louisiana Purchase, Sewards Folly, Making the Republics of Texas and California States). The Mexican Government has changed several times since 1825. The Government down there isn't going to change the quality of life for anyone but the upper **** hole politicians and upper class. I think our President and Governors of Borders states need to call up Fox and tell him to start fixing some things and put some real pressure on them to do so. The people have gone through numerous civil wars and to the same avail. Trickling money down isn't going to solve the Real Problems down there.

 

I believe with regard to Mexico specifically that things have changed for the better lately. Additonally, more wealth in the hands of more people contributes to a lessoning of corruption IMO. Concentrated money tends to produce concentrated influence which often runs counter to the interest of the common man/woman.

 

CORRECT.

Illegal means Illegal, Ship them back, they are not wanted or Needed.

If you want to come here, do it Legally.

 

Easy solution,,, Time to Invade

 

The plan while distasteful to many will be a way to document workers and make them pay taxes which they do not do now. It will also increase penalties for any employer who continues to use illegal workers since it will be easy for any alien to register as a worker.
I am more concerned about peole with middle east origin being in this country without documents or on just student visas and not going to school or working legally.

Give it a fair chance to work.

 

Lets not give it back this time! Would our army be considered illegal aliens?

 

BDV wrote:

"Let them work here. Whatever. I like cheap tacos and hamburgers. Plus, what are we supposed to do? Kick 'em out?"

Yep - boot 'em. We are capable of keeping them out if we put our minds to it.

"They'll just be back the next month because they know that if they get caught, they are just gonna be sent home."

Thats why things need to change. They need a wake up call that the laws here mean something.

"It's a no brainer, really, and if you guys were in their shoes, you would be clammering for the border trying to get over here as fast as you could."

Maybe true but I'm not in their shoes - I'm in my shoes and I'm pushing for the removal of illegal aliens. Just as they would do in my position. There is a solution to this problem but it requires change and open minded thinking. The "let it be - they arn't hurting you" thing doesn't cut it anymore. Forcing them to comply will only make them stronger in the long run.

 

I think this is a bad idea that will cost GWB his reelection . The president should put the needs of the legal citizens of this county first, not the lawbreaker needs. Every poll I have seen is against this proposal and I am frankly dissapointed in Bush. I voted for him in 2000, won't vote for him again if these stupid idea goes through. If we are not going to enforce the law we might as well disband the Border Patrol and all the other immigration agencies and just have open borders and let ourselves be overwhelmed .