Illegal Imigrants / Mexico
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Quote: "I have NO problem with someone coming here LEGALLY. Thats what this country
was founded on"
Obviously not a native American making this statement.
I do think though that if we don't secure the borders, we will end up highjacked too.
Politicians are not willing to get past patisan conflict to "cowboy up" and close up the borders. Hispanic votes are the priority over national security for all of the parties in my opinion. As long as we fail to provide national security at the borders, we will need to at least monitor the infultrators of those borders. The only way to do this is to make it legal to be here in the first place, or they will continue underground, and we wont know where to find terrorists in the masses among them.
Don't get me wrong, I am pissed off too but we need to avoid another 9-11 if at all possible!
Obviously not a native American making this statement.
I do think though that if we don't secure the borders, we will end up highjacked too.
Politicians are not willing to get past patisan conflict to "cowboy up" and close up the borders. Hispanic votes are the priority over national security for all of the parties in my opinion. As long as we fail to provide national security at the borders, we will need to at least monitor the infultrators of those borders. The only way to do this is to make it legal to be here in the first place, or they will continue underground, and we wont know where to find terrorists in the masses among them.
Don't get me wrong, I am pissed off too but we need to avoid another 9-11 if at all possible!
Last edited by olfordsnstone; Jan 9, 2004 at 01:09 PM.
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Well Drunkenmonk, that is another part of the picture. We also have a hell of a lot more intell that goes along with the master plan. I believe that this work visa was created in the interest of natl security. Just my thought. Makes sense to me.
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I think I understand.
when CA was going to give illegals driver's licenses, alot of people missed the fact that they drive with or without them, and if they have them, at least then we have some documentation of who is here. The illegals are here, and will continue to be here, our enforcement efforts have not been effective, we're prolly better off documenting them, and trying to tax them, then wasting more money fighting a loosing battle.
when CA was going to give illegals driver's licenses, alot of people missed the fact that they drive with or without them, and if they have them, at least then we have some documentation of who is here. The illegals are here, and will continue to be here, our enforcement efforts have not been effective, we're prolly better off documenting them, and trying to tax them, then wasting more money fighting a loosing battle.
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I very much agree with the opinion of other posts that the problem lies with ILLEGAL aliens. I have no problem with anyone who wants to come here, work for a living, pay taxes, pay their medical expenses and obey the laws (especially car insurance 
). To say that American people won't work for what aliens will is not exactly true. You have to remember to figure in the taxes and health care expenses that Americans are forced to pay.
). To say that American people won't work for what aliens will is not exactly true. You have to remember to figure in the taxes and health care expenses that Americans are forced to pay.
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Quote: when CA was going to give illegals driver's licenses, alot of people missed the fact that they drive with or without them, and if they have them, at least then we have some documentation of who is here.
Good point.
One thing about the DL's is that an increase of voting rights manipulation potential of illegals. All they would have to do is lie on the registration ppwk, as I understand it. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think that was a last ditch effort of ol grey davis to keep power through illegal votes tipping the scale.
Then I suppose we would have a demanded recount in California
(it didn't work)
Good point.
One thing about the DL's is that an increase of voting rights manipulation potential of illegals. All they would have to do is lie on the registration ppwk, as I understand it. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think that was a last ditch effort of ol grey davis to keep power through illegal votes tipping the scale.
Then I suppose we would have a demanded recount in California
(it didn't work)
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Originally posted by wick246
Is there a link to the key points of Bush's new plan?
Is there a link to the key points of Bush's new plan?
My statements of National Security earlier were based on events that led to today, not on facts. I think my posts reflected that.
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Originally posted by olfordsnstone
Correct me if I am wrong, but I think that was a last ditch effort of ol grey davis to keep power through illegal votes tipping the scale.
Then I suppose we would have a demanded recount in California
(it didn't work)
Correct me if I am wrong, but I think that was a last ditch effort of ol grey davis to keep power through illegal votes tipping the scale.
Then I suppose we would have a demanded recount in California
(it didn't work)
hopefully Ahnold does better, but I'm still taking a wait and see stance before celebrating.
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For those of you that didn’t understand the $2 a gallon example I will try to make it clearer. Everything you buy is a product of some sort. Even labor is a product you sell to your company. You as the worker have just as much right to demand a higher price for your labor/product as does a company selling a product. If a company can dictate how much you pay for something a worker has the same right. And supply and demand plays into this. Maybe they won’t hire you and you’ll have to accept lees money. But I can choose not to buy their product if I so choose. By under cutting jobs with cheap labor is drives down wages for all workers. Every job up the line suffers. Simple economics.
Oldfordstone, I was born here as were my parents, and theirs, and theirs, and theirs. I also have a sliver of Native American Indian in me.
NH Hottie, just what I was looking for, hit the nail on the head.
Oldfordstone, I was born here as were my parents, and theirs, and theirs, and theirs. I also have a sliver of Native American Indian in me.
NH Hottie, just what I was looking for, hit the nail on the head.
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I agree with tighter controls on our borders.beef up the border patrol.more funding for survailance equipment,more manpower.give the border patrol the necessary tools to fight the flood of illegal alians rushing our borders.One of those hijackers came in through the western part of Maine in a very remote area.he left for Boston from Portland,Me.It's not just our southern border we have to watch.I believe it was Atta.
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Originally posted by 13hondacr250
For those of you that didn’t understand the $2 a gallon example I will try to make it clearer. Everything you buy is a product of some sort. Even labor is a product you sell to your company. You as the worker have just as much right to demand a higher price for your labor/product as does a company selling a product. If a company can dictate how much you pay for something a worker has the same right. And supply and demand plays into this. Maybe they won’t hire you and you’ll have to accept lees money. But I can choose not to buy their product if I so choose. By under cutting jobs with cheap labor is drives down wages for all workers. Every job up the line suffers. Simple economics.
Oldfordstone, I was born here as were my parents, and theirs, and theirs, and theirs. I also have a sliver of Native American Indian in me.
NH Hottie, just what I was looking for, hit the nail on the head.
For those of you that didn’t understand the $2 a gallon example I will try to make it clearer. Everything you buy is a product of some sort. Even labor is a product you sell to your company. You as the worker have just as much right to demand a higher price for your labor/product as does a company selling a product. If a company can dictate how much you pay for something a worker has the same right. And supply and demand plays into this. Maybe they won’t hire you and you’ll have to accept lees money. But I can choose not to buy their product if I so choose. By under cutting jobs with cheap labor is drives down wages for all workers. Every job up the line suffers. Simple economics.
Oldfordstone, I was born here as were my parents, and theirs, and theirs, and theirs. I also have a sliver of Native American Indian in me.
NH Hottie, just what I was looking for, hit the nail on the head.
I have not a problem with legals, to reinterate on my original post, and your post here pinpoints more accurately what I was saying, (but my post got windy. ) I think when Mexico becomes a desirable place to live, the mass exodus to our states will slow down. But THEY have to make it that way, they cant do it running over here illegally. Think about it, it must be bad over there, can you imagine loading up your clothes in a van, going to a country where you dont know their language or currency system ? I guess thats why here they absolutely TAKE over a whole apartment complex in a year. They stick together to help one another thru the "buddy" system getting work and housing.