View Poll Results: How do you feel about pilot Injection
I paid for it I want it back
59
74.68%
I don't realy care
9
11.39%
I't was disabled when I bought the truck
7
8.86%
Don't know what pilot injection is
9
11.39%
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Pilot Injection
Cargo Master
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From: Carlsbad, California
Originally posted by BJ_Hawk
dayrlhunter,
what brand of toy hauler do you have, I'm shopping for one.
web site?
dayrlhunter,
what brand of toy hauler do you have, I'm shopping for one.
web site?
I did quite a bit of research before purchasing the rig and am quite happy with it.
I use it primarily for taking my roadracing bike to the race track for practice days but will be taking it to the desert this winter to go dirt biking.
Daryl
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To all of you out there that have lost their pilot injections systems. The 12/03 reflash supposedly turns it back on when the water warms up enough. My mileage has increased some since it was reflashed. The only other problem is the loss of power. It still did not come back and the exhaust fumes are still rather strong. Ford needs to quit screwing around and fix the problems with the '03's that are out on the street, or there are going to be a number of lemon law cases filed against them. They know there have numerous problems and complaints since there October reflash, but they are trying to bandaid to save money. End result. It will cost them more in the long run. Usually it is cheaper in the long run to fix something correctly as opposed to the bandaid, lip service type of stuff I have been getting. I have gone ahead and filed a lemon law claim against Ford in the state of Texas. Good luck to the rest who, like myself, have spent in excess of $35K to have a truck that they "Ford" will not take the time and effort to fix correctly.
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From: BC
I feel that Ford is hiding something from us. Why else would they intentionally **** of so many owners. I thought I was buying a quiet truck that I demo'ed but they did not have my color so it was shipped from another dealer and it arrived already flashed with the Oct flash. It took about a week to figure out what was different, especially after my friends commented on the noise, that they also thought Ford had gone away from.
Dealer has told me that Dec flash will not turn on pre-injection, and that flashes are a one way trip. In other words cannot be returned to orginal state. As a Canadian I'm not sure what my options are on this, but I do know I did not spend $65,000 for a truck that does not live up to Fords own hype. Hell they advertised it to get 15% better mileage than 7.1 not 25% less. I hope someone is listening. If not for this web site I would still scratching my head as to what is going on.
Dealer has told me that Dec flash will not turn on pre-injection, and that flashes are a one way trip. In other words cannot be returned to orginal state. As a Canadian I'm not sure what my options are on this, but I do know I did not spend $65,000 for a truck that does not live up to Fords own hype. Hell they advertised it to get 15% better mileage than 7.1 not 25% less. I hope someone is listening. If not for this web site I would still scratching my head as to what is going on.
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From: Southern California
Fm EHarman
And I believe that it was part of their promoting the truck's "improvement".
As a side note, that is actually called "conversion" = knowingly taking something belonging to another & converting it to his/her/corporate use.
Coverting is against the law, but one can't put a corporation in jail.
That's the primary issue--due to their use of a defective product, your purchase has been prematurely depreciated -- and not through any action or negligence on your part ( the purchaser of the truck.
Here one can reasonably claim that the dealership withheld material information, relative the known outcome of their action, resulting in your truck's decrease in performance. And on this issue, you may well have a claim against the dealer for their actions, exclusive of any claims against Ford.
Just some thoughts.....
Pilot injection was part of the original package on my truck.
If some one takes something from you that is not their's, isn't that called stealing?
Stealing is against the law. Did Ford break the law by stealing?
I now longer have what I paid for! ! Ford took something that I paid for...
When they flashed my truck in Oct, they did not tell me.....
Just some thoughts.....
Last edited by "Luke" SdeS; Jan 10, 2004 at 09:41 AM.
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Question: Does anybody know exactly why the pilot injection was disabled? Is there a potential problem with the injectors themselves? & if so is it cheaper just to turn them off, rather than replace them?
Last edited by mn 6.0; Jan 10, 2004 at 12:02 PM.
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I asked in an ealyer post if they all come with pilot injection because my buddy at work had his 03 flashed last week, can't hear the differance between his and my 04 thats never been flashed.
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From: Stockton, CA.
Originally posted by mn 6.0
Question: Does anybody know exactly why the pilot injection was disabled? Is there a potential problem with the injectors themselves? & if so is it cheaper just to turn them off, rather than replace them?
Question: Does anybody know exactly why the pilot injection was disabled? Is there a potential problem with the injectors themselves? & if so is it cheaper just to turn them off, rather than replace them?
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I had a problem with the steering on my '03, they replaced the steering gear & it didn't fix the problem. They said the truck was "normal". I said "let's drive one on the lot & see if they are the same". We did that & steering on that truck was good, it was an '04 & I noticed the noise level was the same if not louder than mine, which had the October flash. I should have checked the build date to see if it was really an '04 whith an '04 engine.
Last edited by mn 6.0; Jan 12, 2004 at 07:07 AM.
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Originally posted by cdtruckn
On some 03's ,thy had a problem with the romping idle, thy found that if thy disabled the pilot injection the truck's idled fine. thy permanently fix this problem in the 04 engines by re-designing the high pressure oil rail so that the pulse of the injector firring twice didn't make pulse in the rail, (made the rail bigger) the 04's made in 03 just have the oct flash already installed at factory.
On some 03's ,thy had a problem with the romping idle, thy found that if thy disabled the pilot injection the truck's idled fine. thy permanently fix this problem in the 04 engines by re-designing the high pressure oil rail so that the pulse of the injector firring twice didn't make pulse in the rail, (made the rail bigger) the 04's made in 03 just have the oct flash already installed at factory.
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From: Okinawa Japan
So do all 04/04's have pilot injection or supposed to have it? Is the mpeg that psdwanabe what it actually sounds like. If it is I like not having to shut my truck off to go through the drive through like I did with my 7.3. I also like being able to give here a bit of fuel and get a louder tone.