ya know fellas all i can say is gas mileage, gasmileage, gasmileage! my cousion bought the new hemi in a 2 wheeldrive shortbed. sure its a neat truck but the last trip we took he sure burned up alot more gas than that little sticker said on the window? and really, between the two my 98 TRITON (ha ha) 4x4 excab longbed (all stock) will take this hemi in an all out drag, tire smokin you name it, but then the TRITON sure aint no FE! these guys will learn someday that 99% of the time its the driver. but i could be wrong.

 

It is obvious that you have never driven a Hemi powered truck. Just curious, but what leads you to believe the motor is a piece of crap? The fact that the combustion chambers aren't 100% hemispherical? To be honest, I now a lot of people who bought brand new Hemi Ram's, and I don't know a single one who is upset that they bought "a piece of crap." So again, I ask what your comment is based on? It is clear that the Hemi makes more power than the 3 valve 5.4, and despite what the diehard Ford guys say, the Hemi will even out run the 5.4 wihen loaded, so the whole torgue thing doesn't fly either. I ask you, what non-supercharged truck does Ford make that will run in the 14's bone stock?

 

please take that hemi number to any local race way and find out that 14's really means 15.7 on average. just from experence, but the hemis still arent broke in so mabey in the long run they'll loosen up and make somemore power but? i've seen 4 of these trucks at the strip and ......NONE....... got any faster then 15.2 with a really good light, come on.not saying the hemi is junk we just need to find out if its as tried and true as the new old blue.

 

Actually EV2DEMON, I bought the Hemi, and was really unimpressed with the power. My wifes 4 banger Mitsubishi Galant kept up with it???? The interior was cheap looking. And when I went to tow my boat up the local mountains....forget about it. I traded it in for the F-250 V10 within two months.
I'll admit that it is a good looking truck, but it is not what Dodge makes it out to be. You cant really tell me that when you first put your foot into it, the truck did not take off like you thought it would. I really wanted to like the Hemi, but I am sorry, it just dosn't compete with alot of better product out there. For example, If you want a truck that tows, is durable,and needs little maintenance, get the Ford. If you want speed, get the Chevy. If you want something that is average at the above metioned items, get the Dodge. Again, I am not making these comments because I am just loyal to Ford. To be quite honest, I hated Fords for the longest time, but I really loved my F-150 and I wouldnt trade my F-250 in for the world.....ok mabey for a Ferrari.

 

I don't know where the Hemi is a piece of cr*p idea comes from either... honestly I think it's just a lot of people like to dog the truck, and from what I've seen, the Hemi went through a lot of testing to become a pretty durable engine, but only time will tell. I mean if it was REALLY as big a piece of cr*p as you people make it out to be then why is it selling as good and why don't we see tons of complaints? We don't.

Granted, it's not the best, I'd put the Chevy 5.3L as on par with the Hemi, and the Ford 5.4L a little behind both of them as far as speed goes. As for pulling, the Hemi will pull like a hog, but not "as well" as the others at part throttle, I will agree with that.

As for time slips equaling 15.7 or so at the strip, I don't know where that comes from... there are plenty of slips being posted of Hemis in the 14's, and I've yet to see anything stock anywhere near that but a Lightning doing that on Ford's side.

As for the 4x4 ext. cab long bed that said he could take a 2wd short bed Hemi, I call major BS if it's stock vs. stock. That's just simply ridiculous. I see no way your stock 5.4L in that config is going to take a 2wd Hemi unless the driver just super sucked or they got zero traction.

I raced a 5.4L 2wd Ford '03 or below model, I let him get a quick jump, and I just pulled away like hot cakes... granted I got 4.56 gears among other things, but I got 315's as well, but man he was so PO'd. He did the rice fly-by after we shut it down about 70, then he cut me off, then proceeded to dart in & out of traffic like he was racing through. I don't care if I lose, I lost to a 5.3L 2wd & am proud to admit it, I just race for fun, but man some people take that crud so seriously.

No, the Hemi is not what Dodge tries and makes it out to be, but it's not the slow powerless pile some here are trying to make it out to be either, and I just have to laugh at this because I've looked at a lot of trucks with no BS hopes & I admit my trucks faults, but some proceed to insist the Hemi is just cr*p and I have to die lauging about that... and let's be honest... the the '04 F-150, cause there's no way it'll pull on a Hemi (loaded or not) like that commercial... LOL! It may be a close race, I'll admit, but honestly I'd still put my money on the Hemi from what I've read from owners... Ford & Dodge both.

Heck, there was a Ford guy on this board that posted he bought an '04 Ford and ran against his friends Hemi and would lose everytime by a truck length or two and was a little hurt. He still loves his Ford and that was cool to read, cause I respect that. Just cause mine can't haul what a 3/4 SD can haul doesn't mean I hate my truck, cause towing isn't mainly what I bought it for, so it'd be a pure waste to drive a SD in my case.

As for cheapness, this is strictly in the eye of the beholder. I mean there was a guy on here that also posted he spent 2 hours looking at the new F-150 he ordered & just couldn't make himself like it... way too cheap looking to him. Honestly I've always thought Fords looked super cheap. My friend has a loaded Explorer with green interior & leather and honestly it's like driving in something that was meant for a doctors ambulance, & the King Ranch my g/f & I looked at and we just thought it was awful. And those are the expensive models, so beauty is simply in the eye of the beholder.

You will find people that think the opposite, it's just opinion.

 

Realm what kind of farm you running, where you from

 

They had to call it a Hemi to sell it. If they called it an Egg Head it wouldn't have helped sales too much.

 

seriously though, put a ram 2500 hemi againsed an SD 250 witht he 5.4, the SD will get smoked every time, and I own an 03 SD with the 5.4. Why did I buy the SD? because I liked both the dodge and the ford, and the ford was cheaper, and equipped almost exactly the way I wanted it. (bought it new off the lot, just wish I had the manual trans)

 

otto,

From Memphs, TN. Got about 190 acre farm just outside Memphis... Beef, it's what's for dinner.

Surprisingly though we don't eat a lot of beef. Used to have a garden up until 2 years ago, so we're still mainly country cookin' eaters... eat a lot of vegetables, ham, turkey, chicken, caseroles, sauerkraut... the good stuff.

Used to have about 200 head, but we're down to about 30 now because we'll eventually be selling the farm and cattle is not what makes our living anymore, it's just a side thing that's always been done so we still do it, but it doesn't bring in money really or anything since we have so few.

Not to mention Memphis' mayor has turned Memphis to cr*p. Since he became mayor, here's what's happened:

-School systems suck, 60 out of 80 TN schools that failed minimum basic tests were in Memphis. Now the mayor wants to consolidate the county schools with the city schools because he knows he's turned them to cr*p and would rather dump them on county... then they'll become cr*p too. Some schools don't even have air conditioning and books for crying out loud.

-Crime has gone up up up. Mayor decided the ultimate answer was to move everyone from the "bad" projects East to the middle class suburbs, but guess what, they brought all the "bad" project people with them. There is an area that used to be beautiful called Hickory Hill... now it is known as Hickory Hood and is flooded with crime.

-Memphis has annexed nearly all the way to the county line and has done nothing to improve the inner city, with the exception of a small area of downtown where they spent all the money to renovate a few blocks worth of the city... spent millions to renovate a few things, and build some new sports attractions.

-The Mayor has 8 private body guards, which our taxes pay for, and I swear, this isn't just speculation, he has to have ties to some type of drug money. Heck, one of his body guards got arrested on one of the Mayor's pieces of properties for drugs once, and some other cr*p that goes on... sorry, I just don't buy it's all a legit thing.

-Every area of this city is turning to cr*p... nothing is put back into it and crime keeps spreading everywhere, I hate it. Give Memphis 20 years and FedEx along with some other transportation companies will decide the city is so cr*ppy and quality employees will stop coming, and so they'll move, leaving Memphis with absolutely nothing here. I mean heck, FedEx had it's IT & marketing/sales by the airport, but moved a couple years ago to suburban city just outside Memphis... TONS of businesses went out of business down by the airport after that. Crazy.

Yet Memphians keep re-electing this guy. Why? I don't want to say cause it's not appropriate to talk about on this forum. Neither was any of this, my apologies, but it's late & you asked about my farm, and this all affects it.

 

Seriously though, put a ram 2500 hemi against a SD 250 with the V10 or Diesel, the Hemi will get smoked every time.

You cant compare the Hemi vs the 5.4. You would have to compare the base engine for the Dodge against the base for the Ford 5.4. If you want to compare the "so called powerfull hemi", you would have to compare to the V10 or 6.0, which quite frankly, there is no comparison. ....Hemi

 

Well there you are totally wrong, but maybe you just don't understand the Dodge lineup.

The 5.4L is not the base engine for the Ford, and neither is the Hemi, they are both the next ones up in direct competition with each other.

So you would compare:

1500:
Dodge 4.7L vs. Ford 4.6L
Dodge 5.7L vs. Ford 5.4L

2500:
Dodge 5.7L vs. Ford 5.4L
Dodge Cummins vs. Ford Powerstroke

For the Ford V10, Dodge has nothing to compare it to right now, so don't dare say the hemi should not be compared with the 5.4L... it was developed to be in direct competition with the 5.4L, not the V10 or diesel.

I mean diesel... what are you doing trying to say the Hemi should be compared to the 6.0 diesel?... HELLO... you would compare the Dodge Cummins diesel to the Ford diesel, why in the world would you even imagine the Hemi should be thrown into the same category?

That's like saying you should but the 5.4L up against the Cummins... apples to oranges my friend.

Apples to apples, whether you like it or not, is Hemi to 5.4L.

 

What? That makes no sense. Why can't you compare the Hemi to the 5.4? The base F-150 motor is the 4.6, the optional is the 5.4. The base motor in the Ram 1500 is the 4.7, optional the the 5.7 Hemi. If being the optional motors in their respective trucks that are within .3 litres of each other doesn't make them comparable, I don't know what does. The base motor in the Super duty's is the 5.4, the base in the 2500 and 3500 HD's is the Hemi. Again, I fail to see why they aren't comparable?

As far as the V10 smoking the Hemi, it is not by as much as you'd think. I've raced a regular cab Hemi 2500 4x4 with my Regular cab F-350 V10 4x4 and only beat him by 1 1/2 truck lengths to 80 mph. Not exactly what I'd call smoking him.

Now to say the Hemi needs to be compared to the 6.0 is just assinine, especially since Dodge has the 5.9 Cummins. For the time being the Cummins may not have the highest numbers, but that is about to change. I also know that the Cummins has a much better reliability record than the 6.0. Just ask anyone who is trying to get Ford to buy their POS 6.0's back.

 

NO BRAND BASHING

 

I'm pretty sure that is what they calll "blind loyalty."

I love my Super Duty, but that doesn't mean that I can't admit that other companies make good products as well.

 

Did those Dodgie engineers ever fix those weak **** tie rods in the Durango and Ram?