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Old Dec 18, 2003 | 03:57 PM
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Lay it on the line

I think we all know where most people stand from the debates that occur in this forum, but I was wondering how many are honest enough to post their true political views out foreveryone to see.

Since I started the post I quess I should go first.

I don't claim to be Dem or Rebup. I tend to support less government intrusion in my life. Let me decide what is right for me.
If my wife and I want an abortion so be it.
If I wish to carry a gun so be it.
Allow me to plan for my retirement and I won't ask for any Social Security.
Allow me to choose where I spend my income rather than distributing it for me.
Let me decide which Dr to see and I'll handle the payment.

Government should handle foreign affairs, trade, setting the laws and punishing those that break it, monitor business practices to discorage the unlawful or unethical, secure the borders and protect the citizens from attack (military), keep the economy rolling ( unemployment, interest rates, tariffs, so on).

I'm sure there are some important things I'm forgetting so before you blast me lets see what you think.
 
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Old Dec 18, 2003 | 04:20 PM
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I also don't want to declare myself a Dem. or Rep.

I think we need to give way more power back to the states. I think the federal government should just sit back and step in when needed. What's the point of having 50 states if the only difference is the shape of it?

I also think we need to do way more to regulate all forms of insurance. Doctors can't practice anymore, and I can barely afford to drive. On a related issue, we need to regulate the legal system. Put limits on how much you can win for different reasons, and stop giving handouts just because someone has a lawyer. Why should the family of someone who dies in a car wreck get 50 million, but someone who dies working at a construction site get next to nothing.

And get rid of all these dumb career politicians. I think politicians should be paid next to nothing. This way, the only people who'll run are the ones who actually want to change things for the better.
 
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Old Dec 18, 2003 | 04:53 PM
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I consider myself to be a Republican. I used to consider myself a Democrat, I ven voted for Wild Bill Klinton. I really got turned off by the amount of intursion in to the daily lives of the People that Dems. support. I believe that welfare should truly be based on your actual need, junkies should not draw disability because they are junkies, if you want an abortion...fine, but don't ask me to fund it with taxpayer dollars, late term abortion (partial birth) is murder, we should utilize the death penalty more often, with less wait, guns are good...people are bad, keep the UN out of the US's business, "One Nation, Under God" should be a part of the Pledge, individual school prayer is not going to hurt anyone, The 10 Commandments should be allowed in ANY building, Al Sharpton is a joke, same goes for Elanor Holmes Norton, Ted "I got my career because of my dead brother" Kennedy, and all the other lefties out there. I am conservative on some issues, moderate on others, I feel that I can look at an issue objectively and I do my best to keep an open mind, even on subjects I feel strongly about. Man I need an asprin....
 
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Old Dec 18, 2003 | 09:30 PM
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Less government in my life. No more handouts to crack mothers spitting out babies. Send every last illegal imagrant back to where they came from. I don't care who your leader is, don't make your problem our problem. We fixed our problem over 200 years ago. You can do the same.

Don't tell me what I can read and watch in my own home. Don't tell me I don't have a right to own a gun and to shoot intruders. Keep your laws off my body. Stop affirmitive action. If a white man is more qualified for the job give it to him. Don't give out jobs to underqualified minorities. If you can have BET or the United Negro College Fund there should be no complaints when we make the White Boy College Fund. This is not equal rights, this is hipocrasy.

I should not have to pay for your mistakes. I should have to pay for mine though. Driving is not a right, its a privilage. If it was a right it would be in the constitution.

Just cause I make widgits and sell them for 80 times there value no one should make me make it cheaper cause you don't want to pay that much for it. Buy it or not.

The UN needs a swift kick in the rear end. The US has bailed out so many countries just tohave them spit at us.

If you don't like the way I am or what I say don't burn my house down or call me names. I think the Bill of Rights grants me that liberty. If you don't like guns, fine, don't own one. But the second you try to take my right away you are a traitor to this country. Burning Old Glory is just wrong. Don't like some of the laws. Leave, you may find out that you have it pretty good over here.

Don't force your religion down my throat. I don't make you believe what I believe.

Born free, or at least I thought.
 
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Old Dec 18, 2003 | 10:01 PM
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Hauling Boat,

I saw :defend the borders


I didn't see Imigration mentioned.
To me ,This one should be near the top of the list.
 
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Old Dec 18, 2003 | 10:02 PM
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Used to be a strict constitutionalist. What it said is what it meant (Actually I still am). That is a tenet in law-the words mean what the words mean. Seems like that's not true any more, and the words mean what the govt or lawyers can make a jury believe. Not unlike Clinton and his famous "depends on what you mean by???" I'm leaning toward anarchy, and glad I'm not going to be around another 50 yrs to see what happens to our Republic. Well not anarchy, just letting us again have control of our destiny.
 
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Old Dec 18, 2003 | 10:51 PM
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Too young to vote, but am not a democrat or republican. I'll vote for who I want, when i want, and the constitution says i am owed that right.

Abortion, at any time after conception, is murder, plain and simple. Someone gave you a chance, and what makes you think your God. And for your information, I don't blow up clinics, I just feel abortion is wrong.

Immigration should be stopped, and all that are not current citizens of the U.S., should be sent back.

Over 220 years ago, we fixed our problems. Everyone else should stop whining, fix there damn problems, and then I'll listen.

Whites are now the minority.

I don't want told that I owe anybody anything. It was there relatives and mine, not him and I.

I beleive in the second amendment. It is our right, and they can have my gun when they pull it from my cold, dead fingers.

Screw S.S. If they havn't figured it out yet, will they ever?

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Old Dec 19, 2003 | 06:52 AM
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Originally posted by theregoestheneighborhood
Immigration should be stopped, and all that are not current citizens of the U.S., should be sent back.
Unless your family was here prior to 1492 this is a rather hypocritical statement. Then again if they were here prior to 1492 I guess you're entitled to feel this way.
Whites are now the minority.
Can you elaborate on this?
 
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Old Dec 19, 2003 | 07:56 AM
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As many of my fellow posters, I prefer to think of myself as an independent thinker and shy away from labels like Democrat or Republican.

I tend to agree with limited government control and intrusion. However, our tax dollars are designed to provide certain services that we all take for granted and that make America what it is today. For example free public education through high school, a system of roads (which we all enjoy) as good as any in the world. Freedom to speak out against the rulling party without fear of reprisal. The right to bear arms and the right to support legislation that amends that right (let the majority prevail!)

On the immigration issue I believe we need to do a better job of screening immigrants and managing the influx of immigrants, however this counrty was built upon immigration. Only the native Americans can claim to be true Americans and we immigrants certainly treated them fairly and with respect and dignity! Let's face it, we live in a global society and isolationism will not work well for us now. We depend too heavily upon foreign trade. As a global society we need the influence of other cultures to maintain our place in a global market. So let's not eliminate immigration - let's do a better job of controling and encouraging even more interaction.

If we want to limit any population group I say let's eliminate or at least restrict lawyers! Maybe then we would have a few less ludicrous law suits - I mean getting a hugh settlement from tabacco companies because "you choose to smoke" and then get cancer and blame R.J. Reynolds. Come on! This from a non-smoker!
 
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Old Dec 19, 2003 | 08:32 AM
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Some great points Johare, especially the bit about lawyers.
I agree, we do have some of the best roads in the world.

Mil1ion, where are you at on the rest of the issues? I agree immigration obviously needs improvement. That was proven 9/11/01.
 
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Old Dec 19, 2003 | 08:41 AM
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Hi haulingboat,

I'm not sure if most people experience this, but I suspect so:

I've become very disenchanted with my political party, the Republicans. When I joined, it believed in small government, and empowerment of the individual.

But we have spending out of control, and a mindset that tries to control personal aspects of our lives.

Worst of all, IMO, it has been hijacked by the religious right. My attempts to have the party place the persona non grata mat out for the religious right, like the Democrats did years ago, are an exersize in futulity.

I believe I will be looking closely at the Libertarians this election cycle.

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Old Dec 19, 2003 | 09:02 AM
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Whites are still the largest group in this country. When public education provided is equal in all schools I will no longer support affirmative action, until then I do. I have been stung by AA in my life but I still think I had more options.

I'm all for immigration reform but I would let most latin Americans in not keep them out. I like them. I think this country has plenty of room for immigrants from many places yet. Not fair to be from somewhere else yourself and close the door behind you.

Welfare also needs some attending to but to change a subculture of people used to coasting will not be easy, especially without unfairly punishing the children involved. Something like the old WPA might be in order. But then why give jobs to people who don't really want them when there's people who do? Complicated.

I also feel we have a great opportunity to play a positive role in global politics and business and should not isolate ourselves, as if we could. And to suggest that any people could free themselves from their oppressors because we did without help 200 years ago is plain wrong.

I am registered as independent btw.
Last time I voted I voted for Arnold.
 
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Old Dec 19, 2003 | 09:07 AM
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Originally posted by billsco
Hi haulingboat,

I'm not sure if most people experience this, but I suspect so:

I've become very disenchanted with my political party, the Republicans. When I joined, it believed in small government, and empowerment of the individual.

But we have spending out of control, and a mindset that tries to control personal aspects of our lives.

Worst of all, IMO, it has been hijacked by the religious right. My attempts to have the party place the persona non grata mat out for the religious right, like the Democrats did years ago, are an exersize in futulity.

I believe I will be looking closely at the Libertarians this election cycle.

regards

I agree. That is why I started my post by typing that I do not favor myself to dems or repubs. I think I stand far to the right on most issues. I don't see the Repubs in the same position. They have traded votes from the elderly, that wish for free medicine, for the platform that attracted many people to their party.

The problem with Librtetarion is it splits the vote from the right allowing the left to get in. IMHO that's worse than the Repubs.
WE are between a rock and a hard place.
 
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Old Dec 19, 2003 | 09:29 AM
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Originally posted by sinjin

I also feel we have a great opportunity to play a positive role in global politics and business and should not isolate ourselves, as if we could. And to suggest that any people could free themselves from their oppressors because we did without help 200 years ago is plain wrong.

Hi sinjin,

Here's an opportunity to ask a question about your frequently stated wish re: American legislation to help raise health and living standards in countries we do business with.

Why can't they free themselves? Where are the Jimmy Hoffas to organize the exploited?

I don't mean to sound naive, but I guess I am.

regards
 
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Old Dec 19, 2003 | 09:33 AM
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Usually vote republican simply because I see them as the lesser of two evils.

I’m all for less government interference with my personal life. If you want to wear a motorcycle helmet, then by all means wear one. If you want to own a gun, go buy one. If wearing seat belts makes you feel safer, just click it. If you want an abortion, go to a clinic. If you don’t want to shoot someone breaking into your house, then run the other way. If you do not think your kids are old enough or responsible enough to make up his/her own mind about drinking, then don’t send him/her off to war. Just don’t make these decisions for me. I have a mind, I’m a legal adult, and I will make my own decisions after reviewing the relevant facts

And what ever you do, don’t talk to me about political correctness. If my opinions offend you, ignore them.

As to immigration, well most of us came from somewhere else a few generations back. That’s fine, but if you’re going to live in this country – LEARN THE LANGUAGE! All the billboards and television adds in Spanish make me feel like I’m the foreigner.
 
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