I am planning to trade my F150 4x4 in on a 2003 SD. The F150 does not have mechanical hubs like the SDs do. The F150 has electronic hubs that engage automaticaly. The way I look at it, I'll be damned if I'll get out in the mud to lock in hubs on a $35,000 (or more) truck:-staun

That said though, I would like to hear from folks who have the ESOF system. Good or bad, I want to know if this system is problematic.

 

Oh man... be careful; you are opening pandora's box with this one. If you really want to see the guys in this forum start to blow their stacks, bring up the ESOF issue!

Go read thread #4244
https://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/DCForumID117/4224.html

There's more on that thread about ESOF than you would ever want to know!

 

Jeez Haroutd , very PC of you

 

>Jeez Haroutd , very PC of you

Yeti! how many times have I told you not to swear like that!
please be nice to Haroutd he's new here! he's our ESOF guru!
He can definitly take the lead questions and give all the answers on all ESOF ? he he he !

boblamp ,just do a search on the famous ESOF and see how many hits there are on it ! When your $35,000 Esof truck fails to shift into 4h or 4low
send all emails to Haroutd ! he loves these conviences!


Rich
02 F250 4x4 SC 5.4v8 6spd 3.73ls Trueblue/Silver and Chrome Nerfs

"All Levers"

 

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 20-Nov-02 AT 10:28 PM (EST)]You folks keep this kicking this topic around and I have bit my tongue long enough.

This feature should more aptly be called ESSOF,Electronic"Sometimes" Shift On the Fly.
Have a nice day:-)

 

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 20-Nov-02 AT 11:07 PM (EST)]>>Jeez Haroutd , very PC of you
>
>Yeti! how many times have I told you not to swear like that!
>please be nice to Haroutd he's new here! he's our ESOF guru!
>He can definitly take the lead questions and give all the
>answers on all ESOF ? he he he !
>
>boblamp ,just do a search on the famous ESOF and see how
>many hits there are on it ! When your $35,000 Esof truck
>fails to shift into 4h or 4low
>send all emails to Haroutd ! he loves these conviences!
>
>
>Rich
>02 F250 4x4 SC 5.4v8 6spd 3.73ls Trueblue/Silver and Chrome
>Nerfs
>
>"All Levers"
>No mods needed its "Kuel-E-Nough for Me!"
>


<With the best old Italian accent I can manage:>
"You dirty rat.... I'm gonna' getchya, you dirty rat"

Until ESOF fails me, I will remain true to this feature. Even after it fails me, I'll still remain loyal; I'm really stubborn like that.

To stay on topic, I have 2 questions for you guys:

1) How did the Jeep Cherokees design their 4x4? I had a 1990 (I think; not a Ford so I didn't really pay attention) Cherokee a few years back, and its hubs weren't locked from the outside at all. It did have a lever, with settings for 4Lo, 4Hi, Neutral, and Auto-2/4Hi. Were the front hubs permanently locked, and the lever just engaged the transfer case? If this is the case, why not simply eliminate the hubs on all 4x4's and make them all permanently locked?

2) If you have manual hubs, is there any disadvantage to locking your hubs all the time, 24/7/365, and simply using the lever to change from 2x4 to 4x4?

Seriously, though, I knew NOTHING about hubs & transfer case engagement before I fell into this crowd, but you guys have taught me a lot. Thanks.

 

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 20-Nov-02 AT 11:26&nbsp;PM (EST)]>
>1) How did the Jeep Cherokees design their 4x4? I had a
>1990 (I think; not a Ford so I didn't really pay attention)
>Cherokee a few years back, and its hubs weren't locked from
>the outside at all. It did have a lever, with settings for
>4Lo, 4Hi, Neutral, and Auto-2/4Hi. Were the front hubs
>permanently locked, and the lever just engaged the transfer
>case?

Just about positive they use what's known as an axle disconnect.

If this is the case, why not simply eliminate the
>hubs on all 4x4's and make them all permanently locked?
>
Current Dodge 3/4 and 1 ton trucks are set up this way.

>2) If you have manual hubs, is there any disadvantage to
>locking your hubs all the time, 24/7/365, and simply using
>the lever to change from 2x4 to 4x4?

Reduced fuel mileage and some extra wear on the front axle driveline parts.

 

>Oh man... be careful; you are opening pandora's box with
>this one. If you really want to see the guys in this forum
>start to blow their stacks, bring up the ESOF issue!
>
>Go read thread #4244
>https://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/DCForumID117/4224.html
>
>There's more on that thread about ESOF than you would ever
>want to know!
Thanks haroutd. I checked out that thread and printed it out so I can read it later. I've gone through a half ream of paper and it's still printing . Looks like I'll probably be getting out and locking them stinking hubs:-( . The F-150 has electric hubs, I have to assume that that system is not strong enough to handle the torque of the diesels or V10. I guess when I get my new truck that I'll have to quite stroking my dad about having to lock the hubs on his '91 F150 My biggest thing right now is that I want (need) more horse than my 2000 F150 (with the 7700 package) provides. I did some hauling here in Pennsylvania recently and while I was not overloaded (almost to the pound on tow capacity) the 5.4 petered out on the hills. Top speed was down to about 30mph and we're not talking about mountains . Since the 5.4 only gets on average 13mpg (mostly highway) I figured my next truck would be a PSD. The 5.4 is enough of a pig, I aint feeding no V10!

I'm still debating on the options. We'll see what I end up buying in a few months.


2000 F150
7700 package
5.4l 3.73 gears
4x4
standard cab, no toys

 

The ESOF is equally capable of handling torque as much as manual hubs. The mechanics are the same. The ESOF simply has an additional electronic mechanism that engages the hubs for you. It also has an electronic "switch" rather than a "lever." Otherwise, the ESOF is no weaker than the manuals. The only disadvantage to ESOF is that with more electronic parts, there is an increased likelyhood of failure. If the engagement mechanism fails, you simply lock them from the outside and it behaves exactly the same as manual hubs do. If the switch components fail, however, you're stuck with 2 wheel drive until you have it repaired.

Ever had a power window motor fail? Yet the hand-crank onese seem to last forever. You pay for your conveniences this way.

BTW -- I have ESOF and I love it. Others have threatened to remove it while I sleep (thus my 12-guage alarm system ) but I still won't give it up!

 

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 22-Nov-02 AT 09:19&nbsp;PM (EST)]I think we got 'em, quick run before we're found out. HeHeHeHe
got those pesky ESOF's and didn't even wake his peacock!

 

>I think we got 'em, quick run before we're found out.
>HeHeHeHe
>got those pesky ESOF's and didn't even wake his peacock!


I'm still picking pieces of that Peacock out of my swampers!!

 

You guys left just before I got there ! I stole his window motors and his snow plow patent .Oh next time yeti! kill the dang peacock will ya!
it was running around half cocked! wait till the next time he tries his esof ! Big suprise!



You dirty rat!

Rich

02 F250 4x4 SC 5.4v8 6spd 3.73ls Trueblue/Silver and Chrome Nerfs

"All Levers"

 

Geeze, Forty! What are you doing up at this hour? Isn't it past your bedtime? Some of us younger bucks are just getting in after a Friday night out sewing our wild oats... but I thought you'd be right now.

 

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 23-Nov-02 AT 08:38&nbsp;AM (EST)]Any one interested in some Peacock stew?
Yeti de-feathered the thing so it's good to go!
By the way, don't tell haroutd but I gots a real
good deal on a set of ESOFs.
Any takers!

Remember that female dog?
or was it a ferret?

[font color="blue" size="1" face="Arial"]By the way, thanks for the good info on the grahics![/font]