Notices
1987 - 1996 F150 & Larger F-Series Trucks 1987 - 1996 Ford F-150, F-250, F-350 and larger pickups - including the 1997 heavy-duty F250/F350+ trucks

Welding broken engine stud, damage to electronics?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jun 24, 2025 | 04:01 PM
  #1  
spinningmagnets's Avatar
spinningmagnets
Thread Starter
|
Trailering
Liked
Joined: Aug 2023
Posts: 23
Likes: 3
From: Kansas
Welding broken engine stud, damage to electronics?

OK, so...I had a ten minute job to pull off the thermostat housing on a 300-6, and swap in a new thermostat. One bolt came loose, and THEN...the other bolt snapped-off the head. I watched a lot of youtubes, and there seems to be three methods to get the remaining threaded stud out.

Number one: Spray penetrant, heat up the block around it to loosen the rust. Put on a nut and tap it "left and right" to loosen it. Then set a "stud extraction tool" on it and use a impact with the power set on low to "rattle it" and hopefully break it loose instead of breaking it off even shorter.

https://mobileimages.lowes.com/produ...pg?size=pdhism

Number two: If the previous didn't work, slide a washer onto the stud, then slide a LARGE nut onto the stud, and then WELD the nut onto the stud. Again, use an impact to rattle it on low-power, and slowly raise the power until it breaks loose.

https://www.hagerty.com/media/mainte...a-broken-stud/

Number three: If the previous two didn't work, cut the stud flush with the block, center-punch and drill it with a 1/4-inch cobalt bit (the bolt is a hair bigger at 5/16). Then tap-in an extraction bit like this:

https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-k9nv...583937.jpg?c=1

The big question is...will welding on the stud damage the electronics on the 1994 F-150??

Any advice is welcome.
 

Last edited by spinningmagnets; Jun 24, 2025 at 05:04 PM. Reason: speling
Reply
Old Jun 24, 2025 | 04:17 PM
  #2  
Messofatruck's Avatar
Messofatruck
5th Wheeling
Liked
Joined: Jan 2025
Posts: 27
Likes: 14
Put the ground lead on the engine block, no harm done. For extra peace of mind, unhook your battery.

See thread
 

Last edited by Messofatruck; Jun 24, 2025 at 04:25 PM. Reason: Added link
Reply
Old Jun 24, 2025 | 04:41 PM
  #3  
tjc transport's Avatar
tjc transport
i ain't rite
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 65,554
Likes: 5,590
From: Marlboro Mental Hospital.
Club FTE Gold Member
i always put ground cable as close to work as possible, and use an OTC anti zap auto surge protector hooked to the battery.
in 40 years of automotive welding i have never harmed any electronics. before the anti zap was released for purchase, i used to disconnect the battery positive cable and connect it to ground with a jumper cable. i can not say the same for others that did not use one though.
Amazon Amazon
unfortunately they are A LOT more expensive than when i bought mine in 2004. if i remember correctly it was only around $25 back then.
 
Reply
Old Jun 24, 2025 | 05:03 PM
  #4  
spinningmagnets's Avatar
spinningmagnets
Thread Starter
|
Trailering
Liked
Joined: Aug 2023
Posts: 23
Likes: 3
From: Kansas
Thanks, Messofatruck and tc transport, I appreciate the responses...
 
Reply
Old Jun 24, 2025 | 05:23 PM
  #5  
Scndsin's Avatar
Scndsin
FTE Chapter Leader
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 12,341
Likes: 1,314
From: Central Mississippi
Club FTE Silver Member

I always unplug the ECU welding on anything.

Every major company I've delt with from lil'-bitty circuit boards to full size PCs & control units say do it.

Stinger says specifically they won't warranty a repair on a unit connected to a chassis by harness that was welded on & say they can tell.

Induced voltage through the harness grounds will fry an ECU.
 
Reply
Old Jun 25, 2025 | 06:20 AM
  #6  
manicmechanic007's Avatar
manicmechanic007
Hotshot
5 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
Joined: Jul 2020
Posts: 10,519
Likes: 2,654
From: Near Salt Lake City
Club FTE Silver Member

Some of our DA guys were welding frames for the "huck rivet" repair that was to take and pay 5.5 hours
They fixed them in 5 minutes with a DC stick welder (never disconnected anything)
I did them the old fashioned way with hard work and toil
Never fried anything myself welding frames and things for wreck damage
ALLWAYS disconnect the battery
 
Reply
Old Jun 25, 2025 | 07:45 PM
  #7  
spurredon's Avatar
spurredon
FTE Legend
20 Year Member
Community Influencer
Liked
Loved
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 32,020
Likes: 2,423
From: Upstate NY
Club FTE Silver Member

Not a cheap option but I borrowed one of these once and they worked great for what you are doing. You can bend the elements as needed to get to where you have to.

1KW Magnetic Induction Heater Hand-held Induction Heater for Bolts Removal | VEVOR US


And yes, I have always unhooked the ground when welding.
 
Reply
Old Jun 26, 2025 | 08:18 AM
  #8  
krooser's Avatar
krooser
Laughing Gas
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Liked
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 1,069
Likes: 19
From: Central Wisconsin
Ditch the penetrant and use a crayon or candle wax on the broken stud . Use a little heat to melt the wax... that and a small flat or cape chisel will get thst stud out.

You can also use alum if the housing is aluminum and the broken bolt is steel.

Just build up a dam around the broken bolt. Use alum powder like you would use in the kitchen.
Mix with water and make a paste. Put the paste in the area above the bolt and go to bed. The next morning the bolt will be almost gone eaten away by the chemical reaction between the aluminum and steel. Nothing else will be touched.

You can find videos of this process on youtube.
 
Reply
FTE Stories

Ford Trucks for Ford Truck Enthusiasts

story-0

Top 10 Fords at 2026 Carlisle Ford Nationals

 Joe Kucinski
story-1

3 Best / 3 Worst Parts of Modern Ford Ownership

 Brett Foote
story-2

10 Amazing Upgrades That Solve Common Ford Truck Owner Headaches

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-3

Every 2026 Ford Engine Explained

 Brett Foote
story-4

10 Ugly Ford Trucks That We Still Kinda Love

 Joe Kucinski
story-5

10 Things Every Truck Owner NEEDS (2026 Edition)

 Michael S. Palmer
story-6

Rezvani's Latest Post-Apocalyptic Monster Is a Ford F-150 Raptor Underneath

 Verdad Gallardo
story-7

Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer

 Joe Kucinski
story-8

2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)

 Brett Foote
story-9

Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

 Joe Kucinski
Old Jun 26, 2025 | 09:52 AM
  #9  
spinningmagnets's Avatar
spinningmagnets
Thread Starter
|
Trailering
Liked
Joined: Aug 2023
Posts: 23
Likes: 3
From: Kansas
Thank you @Scndsin, @manicmechanic007, @spurredon, and @krooser.

Time for an update. I have achieved great success! Sometimes the good guys win. I must confess that when the bolt head broke off without warning, I said a bad word...even though I am sure that poor bolt was doing the best that he could. Some past wrench-head examined the thermostat and re-installed a soft hardware store bolt with no anti-seize. The rusty bolt was visibly dug-in there like a hungry tick, and the soft recycled steel was forced to submit to the leverage of my "double wrench" Kung Fu.

At that moment, I could see that at the very least, there was a stub sticking out that I might be able to work with. I posted my dilemma here, and while waiting for the helpful suggestions, I did some research to see if there was some new magic wand that I did not know about yet. Here is what I found.

We are all familiar with the common 4-flute spiral "easy out", and I day-dreamed about using one and decided that if I broke it off in the hole I was going to drill down the center of the stub, I could still weld a big nut around the stub, so my lack of a welder would not delay my ability to try something (The truck is a fourth vehicle, which makes me feel decadent with my 2013 sedan, a bicycle, and my wife's SUV).

There are a couple of types of extractor that attempt to grab the outside of a stud, and back it out. I do not not know which works better than the other. They seem to be in the $25-$35 price range. Sometimes the shape and size of a solution can be a factor. I was able to disconnect the lower radiator hose at the bottom and then lift the radiator out of the way without disconnecting the other three hose joints. The thermostat housing can also lift out of the way without disconnecting the heater hose. I feared I might be forced to remove the fan, but...the widest gap between the blades was wide enough to get a cordless 18V drill in there. I decided my first effort would be with a $5 4-flute easy out that is a tapered spiral with a left-hand twist, because it was immediately on the shelf, and the other styles would have to be ordered, so I'd have to wait.

I gently tapped the tip of the stub with a Dremel to remove any jaggedness. I then managed to get a 5/16 nut onto the stud. I slowly spun the biggest drill bit that would fit through the 5/16 nut (1/4? 9/32?) in the hopes that doing that would form a centered dimple on the tip of the stub. I then used a 1/8th drill bit to make a pilot hole. I only wanted to go deep enough to allow the easy-out to fit, because I feared every moment that the drill bit I was driving would break off. The 1/8th made it all the way through. Then I used the 1/4-inch drill bit as instructed, to make the final hole. It seemed big when compared to the new bolts I had, and the remaining "bolt" shaft would be only threads. I suspect that the removal of 80% of the bolt shaft definitely relieved any torqued-in stress the bolt had previously enjoyed.

Mere words could not convey my joy, when the easy-out removed the hollow shell of a stud that remained. I used an angle-grinder with a thin cutting disc to slice the tip of a "too long" 5/16 hardened bolt I had bought (They didn't have the correct length at the store). I split the tip down the center about three threads, and then cut-in from one side. This left an odd tip that would act as a thread-chaser with some air-space to allow spoils to collect instead of compacting debris deeper into the hole. I inserted my "thread chaser" into each hole all the way, marked it with a felt marker, and then counted the turns as I removed it. Both holes had 8-turns of air-space inside, and the stock bolts had been using 6 turns.

I spun on nuts and then cut the two new grade-8 bolts to a length that gave me 6 turns, plus a little more to allow for split lock-washers (which I like as visual indicators that full-compression has been reached when the split has been flattened). After the cut, I removed the nuts which straightened the burrs. I then used the grinder to soften the edge of the tips.

I spread a thin smear of Permatex on the composite gasket, a light smear of anti-seize on the bolt-threads, and snugged-up the bolts. Today I will see if it leaks.

The youtube channel "Project Farm" does a lot of shoot-outs, and they did a comparison of several types of easy-outs of the type where you drill a hole down the center of the stud (or broken bolt). The main result was that the typically short "multispline" extractors are the best-performing type for softer steel.

https://www.diamondtoolstore.com/pro...-extractor-kit

The common long-taper 4-spline extractor worked best for hard steel, because the force used is focused on only four splines, and the multi-spline extractors would not penetrate the steel enough to get a bite.

https://www.jugenheimersupplies.com/itemdetail/54660556

 
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
V10man
Modular V10 (6.8l)
7
Jan 6, 2015 07:16 PM
FordmanShane
1973 - 1979 F-100 & Larger F-Series Trucks
34
Jul 31, 2011 01:27 PM
ghunt
General Automotive Discussion
28
Feb 15, 2008 12:34 AM
joshsombo
1973 - 1979 F-100 & Larger F-Series Trucks
17
Jan 11, 2006 08:00 PM
bigeric
1973 - 1979 F-100 & Larger F-Series Trucks
15
Jan 31, 2002 06:19 PM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:29 PM.

story-0
Top 10 Fords at 2026 Carlisle Ford Nationals

Slideshow: Top 10 Fords at 2026 Ford Nationals

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-09 11:10:08


VIEW MORE
story-1
3 Best / 3 Worst Parts of Modern Ford Ownership

Based on years of owning multiple modern Ford products.

By Brett Foote | 2026-06-09 10:53:36


VIEW MORE
story-2
10 Amazing Upgrades That Solve Common Ford Truck Owner Headaches

SPONSORED: From muddy boots to rain-soaked cargo, these upgrades address some of the most common frustrations Ford truck owners face every day.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-06-08 18:50:34


VIEW MORE
story-3
Every 2026 Ford Engine Explained

Here's everything you need to know about every Ford engine available for the 2026 model year.

By Brett Foote | 2026-06-05 12:58:01


VIEW MORE
story-4
10 Ugly Ford Trucks That We Still Kinda Love

Slideshow: 10 ugly Ford trucks that we still kinda love.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-03 09:51:16


VIEW MORE
story-5
10 Things Every Truck Owner NEEDS (2026 Edition)

Slideshow: the best gifts for dads & grads

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-06-03 15:43:58


VIEW MORE
story-6
Rezvani's Latest Post-Apocalyptic Monster Is a Ford F-150 Raptor Underneath

Slideshow: Called the Fortress, the 850-horsepower pickup combines Raptor underpinnings with military-inspired features, survival equipment, and a starting price of $285,000.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-06-03 11:38:36


VIEW MORE
story-7
Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer

Slideshow: 10 most expensive Ford trucks ever sold on Bring a Trailer.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 16:24:34


VIEW MORE
story-8
2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)

Here's everything that has changed for the latest model year.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-27 16:17:28


VIEW MORE
story-9
Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

Slideshow: Top 10 Ford truck tragedies.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-18 19:34:33


VIEW MORE