Sump pan question
Sump pan question
As I'm typing this I think I already know the answer, but I'm seeking confirmation.
I have a 460 pulled from a Lincoln, and I'm getting ready to toss the pan on and get the finishing touches to put it into an 83 f250 4wd.
Will that pan work? Or do I need to get a truck pan? The follow up with that, the timing cover has a dickstick tube so can I just block that off or do I need a different timing cover, if I need a different pan.
With the oil pump and pick up screen, I know I would need a longer pick up screen, but is the pump compatible with a different one? This one has the pressed in pick up screen.
I have a 460 pulled from a Lincoln, and I'm getting ready to toss the pan on and get the finishing touches to put it into an 83 f250 4wd.
Will that pan work? Or do I need to get a truck pan? The follow up with that, the timing cover has a dickstick tube so can I just block that off or do I need a different timing cover, if I need a different pan.
With the oil pump and pick up screen, I know I would need a longer pick up screen, but is the pump compatible with a different one? This one has the pressed in pick up screen.
There are 3 different styles of oil pumps used on the big Ford. The press in type M-84, the bolt on the corner/CJ stye M-84B and the bolt on the side of the pump style, M-84D. I think all of the factory rear sump, 4x4 and later truck engines used the "D" style pump.
Would I be able to make what I have work?
There might be an aftermarket pickup that could make it work but swapping the pump for the "D" version would probably be easier. I don't think that there were any factory pickups that were rear sump yet fit the press in style M84 pump.
Yeah I'll call the shop Monday and see if they'll swap it out for me. I did manage to get a rear sump oil pan a while back buying some components off a guy. So I'll save the headache and get the right pump, pick up, and I believe I need a different main cap bolt?
Should I get a different timing cover or would I be fine just to block off the dipstick spot on that one?
Should I get a different timing cover or would I be fine just to block off the dipstick spot on that one?
You'll have to either get one of those special main cap bolts with the stud sticking out or just tig weld a 3/8 bolt to the head of a regular main cap bolt. As far as the timing cover goes you could either weld up the hole or just find a cup plug that will drive into the dip stick hole that you no longer need. No 460 blocks ever had a provision for a dipstick through the pan rail like the 5.0 blocks did. They all went into the side of the sump if it was a rear sump or through the timing cover on a front sump.
FWIW, I like using a van rear sump oil pan along with it's pickup tube/screen, adds an additional quart of oil over a truck rear sump oil pan. Both will work with your engine crossmember as I did this with a factory '76 E350 van pan when I swapped in a 460/C6 in my '82 F250 many years ago. You will also need to enlarge the oil filter hole in the crossmember (toward radiator) if you don't have the 90 degree oil filter adapter. For E250/350 van pan applications will require an M84D oil pump(or similar) and E4HE-6622-BB pickup tube/screen assembly, if using a truck pan will require the same M84D oil pump(or M84DHV for high volume oil pump) and an F250/350 E4HE-6622-CA pickup tube/screen assembly. The van pan pickup is a bit shorter in overall length as compared to the truck pan pickup. Hope this info is helpful
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FWIW, I like using a van rear sump oil pan along with it's pickup tube/screen, adds an additional quart of oil over a truck rear sump oil pan. Both will work with your engine crossmember as I did this with a factory '76 E350 van pan when I swapped in a 460/C6 in my '82 F250 many years ago. You will also need to enlarge the oil filter hole in the crossmember (toward radiator) if you don't have the 90 degree oil filter adapter. For E250/350 van pan applications will require an M84D oil pump(or similar) and E4HE-6622-BB pickup tube/screen assembly, if using a truck pan will require the same M84D oil pump(or M84DHV for high volume oil pump) and an F250/350 E4HE-6622-CA pickup tube/screen assembly. The van pan pickup is a bit shorter in overall length as compared to the truck pan pickup. Hope this info is helpful
That's good stuff to know about the "van pan". I wonder if the later engines after 83 all came with that pan or was the one in the trucks still different because before 1980 there were no 4x4 trucks with 460's and after about I think 83 they started coming with them in 2 and 4 wheel drive trucks.
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