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Old May 18, 2025 | 02:28 PM
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Sump pan question

As I'm typing this I think I already know the answer, but I'm seeking confirmation.

I have a 460 pulled from a Lincoln, and I'm getting ready to toss the pan on and get the finishing touches to put it into an 83 f250 4wd.

Will that pan work? Or do I need to get a truck pan? The follow up with that, the timing cover has a dickstick tube so can I just block that off or do I need a different timing cover, if I need a different pan.

With the oil pump and pick up screen, I know I would need a longer pick up screen, but is the pump compatible with a different one? This one has the pressed in pick up screen.

 
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Old May 18, 2025 | 03:51 PM
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There are 3 different styles of oil pumps used on the big Ford. The press in type M-84, the bolt on the corner/CJ stye M-84B and the bolt on the side of the pump style, M-84D. I think all of the factory rear sump, 4x4 and later truck engines used the "D" style pump.
 
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Old May 18, 2025 | 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by DaveMcLain
There are 3 different styles of oil pumps used on the big Ford. The press in type M-84, the bolt on the corner/CJ stye M-84B and the bolt on the side of the pump style, M-84D. I think all of the factory rear sump, 4x4 and later truck engines used the "D" style pump.
That may be a problem. I'll need to call the machine shop. They helped me piece together my parts kit for the engine, and they got me a melling m84 pump.
Would I be able to make what I have work?
 
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Old May 18, 2025 | 04:23 PM
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There might be an aftermarket pickup that could make it work but swapping the pump for the "D" version would probably be easier. I don't think that there were any factory pickups that were rear sump yet fit the press in style M84 pump.
 
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Old May 18, 2025 | 04:29 PM
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Yeah I'll call the shop Monday and see if they'll swap it out for me. I did manage to get a rear sump oil pan a while back buying some components off a guy. So I'll save the headache and get the right pump, pick up, and I believe I need a different main cap bolt?
Should I get a different timing cover or would I be fine just to block off the dipstick spot on that one?
 
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Old May 18, 2025 | 05:20 PM
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You'll have to either get one of those special main cap bolts with the stud sticking out or just tig weld a 3/8 bolt to the head of a regular main cap bolt. As far as the timing cover goes you could either weld up the hole or just find a cup plug that will drive into the dip stick hole that you no longer need. No 460 blocks ever had a provision for a dipstick through the pan rail like the 5.0 blocks did. They all went into the side of the sump if it was a rear sump or through the timing cover on a front sump.
 
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Old May 22, 2025 | 06:01 AM
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FWIW, I like using a van rear sump oil pan along with it's pickup tube/screen, adds an additional quart of oil over a truck rear sump oil pan. Both will work with your engine crossmember as I did this with a factory '76 E350 van pan when I swapped in a 460/C6 in my '82 F250 many years ago. You will also need to enlarge the oil filter hole in the crossmember (toward radiator) if you don't have the 90 degree oil filter adapter. For E250/350 van pan applications will require an M84D oil pump(or similar) and E4HE-6622-BB pickup tube/screen assembly, if using a truck pan will require the same M84D oil pump(or M84DHV for high volume oil pump) and an F250/350 E4HE-6622-CA pickup tube/screen assembly. The van pan pickup is a bit shorter in overall length as compared to the truck pan pickup. Hope this info is helpful
 
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Old May 22, 2025 | 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by aquartlow
FWIW, I like using a van rear sump oil pan along with it's pickup tube/screen, adds an additional quart of oil over a truck rear sump oil pan. Both will work with your engine crossmember as I did this with a factory '76 E350 van pan when I swapped in a 460/C6 in my '82 F250 many years ago. You will also need to enlarge the oil filter hole in the crossmember (toward radiator) if you don't have the 90 degree oil filter adapter. For E250/350 van pan applications will require an M84D oil pump(or similar) and E4HE-6622-BB pickup tube/screen assembly, if using a truck pan will require the same M84D oil pump(or M84DHV for high volume oil pump) and an F250/350 E4HE-6622-CA pickup tube/screen assembly. The van pan pickup is a bit shorter in overall length as compared to the truck pan pickup. Hope this info is helpful
That's good stuff to know about the "van pan". I wonder if the later engines after 83 all came with that pan or was the one in the trucks still different because before 1980 there were no 4x4 trucks with 460's and after about I think 83 they started coming with them in 2 and 4 wheel drive trucks.
 
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Old May 22, 2025 | 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by DaveMcLain
That's good stuff to know about the "van pan". I wonder if the later engines after 83 all came with that pan or was the one in the trucks still different because before 1980 there were no 4x4 trucks with 460's and after about I think 83 they started coming with them in 2 and 4 wheel drive trucks.
DaveMcLain: I purchased an oil pan for a 472 I am building or rather rebuilding after losing HFT camshaft lobes/lifters-3 different times. Yes, OUCH. That pan was the 5 quart version sourced for an '89 F350 since it uses the screw in dipstick tube, the oil sump is nearer the flywheel. After deciding or rather being forced to go hydraulic roller with a Howards camshaft and Morel roller lifters(this engine is still on my engine stand right now), I chose to purchase the '89 E350 van pan for the additional capacity and it has it's sump a little further forward but fits just fine along with it's pickup tube/screen that I already had in my stash and it also uses the same screw in dipstick tube as the F350 pan. If you go to Rockauto.com you can compare the 460 E350 and F350 pan profiles and you will see the difference. The van pan uses a side drain whereas the truck pan is a bottom drain, I welded up a castle nut(wheel bearing nut) inside the pan since it actually drains more of the oil and made the van pan a bottom drain-not entirely needed but with headers I didn't want to find out that the oil would drain on those after installation. Been a long ordeal since I am trying to restore my late son's '95 F150 that I promised him we would do together, he passed before we could even get started, but a promise is a promise. Hope this info is somewhat helpful. Thank you for all the info you provide here as well on the Ford 460 forums that I am also a member of. Todd
 
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