Notices
1987 - 1996 F150 & Larger F-Series Trucks 1987 - 1996 Ford F-150, F-250, F-350 and larger pickups - including the 1997 heavy-duty F250/F350+ trucks

E4OD overheating

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Apr 11, 2025 | 03:10 PM
  #16  
Mark Kovalsky's Avatar
Mark Kovalsky
Frmr Ford Trans Engr
25 Year Member
Liked
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 3
Joined: Aug 1999
Posts: 24,703
Likes: 2,624
From: SE Florida
Originally Posted by Truckwardo
Bypass the radiator all together and only run through the transmission cooler.
I strongly disagree with this. The radiator cooler removes a lot more heat than the aux cooler can remove. You'll lose a lot of trans cooling by skipping the radiator cooler.
 
Reply
Old Apr 11, 2025 | 03:17 PM
  #17  
Truckwardo's Avatar
Truckwardo
More Turbo
Community Builder
Community Influencer
Liked
Community Favorite
Joined: Oct 2023
Posts: 607
Likes: 153
From: Canada
Originally Posted by Mark Kovalsky
I strongly disagree with this. The radiator cooler removes a lot more heat than the aux cooler can remove. You'll lose a lot of trans cooling by skipping the radiator cooler.


I don't mean just a Hayes auxiliary. Something heavier duty. You can go in series and do both. I prefer to not run through my radiators.
 
Reply
Old Apr 11, 2025 | 06:23 PM
  #18  
JJF20's Avatar
JJF20
Hotshot
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 17,453
Likes: 2,767
From: Northern Ontario
Originally Posted by kaleb p
I got a temp gauge installed. Cruising at 60mph it’s around 170-180, at 70mph empty it’s about 210,
and hauling a 2,000# trailer at 70-75 it’s stays around 220. Is this acceptable temperature ranges or is it hotter than it should be?

Seems on the warmer side for lightly loaded, imo. Your coolers may be dirty and restricted, try giving them a good cleaning - bugs and dirt can really plug them up. You can also have a look into the Trucool coolers and the 6.0 powerstroke cooler.

Trucool has a Thermo bypass for cold weather if that applies to you. The 6.0 cooler is much larger. Run it through the radiator cooler first, don’t skip that.

I used the Tru-Cool with the Thermo bypass. In the end I didn’t use the Thermo bypass, I’m not running it in cold weather on the highways anymore. Personally I’ll use the 6.0 cooler in the future.
 
Reply
Old Apr 11, 2025 | 10:31 PM
  #19  
FORDF250HDXLT's Avatar
FORDF250HDXLT
Fleet Owner
15 Year Member
Community Builder
Liked
Community Favorite
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 20,345
Likes: 802
From: Mi'kma'ki
Originally Posted by kaleb p
I got a temp gauge installed. Cruising at 60mph it’s around 170-180, at 70mph empty it’s about 210,
and hauling a 2,000# trailer at 70-75 it’s stays around 220. Is this acceptable temperature ranges or is it hotter than it should be?
The 170-180 is ideal trans temps (w/ sending unit @ test port). In a perfect world, your trans would run right there 100% of the time.
210-220 is still very safe. If you want to try to keep ideal temps most of the time, you can install Tru-cool Aux Cooler LPD47391 & bypass/T-stat. This is what I use in both of my work trucks and I see ideal trans temps the majority of the time.

Be sure your aux cooler is after the radiator.


Originally Posted by Jim_K
1. Are you towing in OD?
This question implies that one shouldn't tow in OD with the E4OD. This isn't the case. It's built 100% for towing in OD.
The ZF5 manual trans, is the trans that Ford states not to tow in OD with.

Originally Posted by Mark Kovalsky
I strongly disagree with this. The radiator cooler removes a lot more heat than the aux cooler can remove. You'll lose a lot of trans cooling by skipping the radiator cooler.
For sure. Not to mention the high risk of burning the trans up in traffic jams, plowing, off road, or idling.


Originally Posted by JJF20
It’s possible it over heated, the front seal went temporarily soft, it pumped out some fluid
I suspect this also, however it's probably just an aged seal that needs to be changed. According to the temps posted, I bet it takes just getting warm, but if happens again, he'll know if it actually runs hot now. Well above his posted max 220F so far.
 
Reply
Old Apr 12, 2025 | 02:22 AM
  #20  
AuroraGirl's Avatar
AuroraGirl
Lead Driver
Shutterbug
Community Builder
Liked
Loved
Joined: Jun 2021
Posts: 5,215
Likes: 803
Originally Posted by FORDF250HDXLT
The 170-180 is ideal trans temps (w/ sending unit @ test port). In a perfect world, your trans would run right there 100% of the time.
210-220 is still very safe. If you want to try to keep ideal temps most of the time, you can install Tru-cool Aux Cooler LPD47391 & bypass/T-stat. This is what I use in both of my work trucks and I see ideal trans temps the majority of the time.

Be sure your aux cooler is after the radiator.




This question implies that one shouldn't tow in OD with the E4OD. This isn't the case. It's built 100% for towing in OD.
The ZF5 manual trans, is the trans that Ford states not to tow in OD with.



For sure. Not to mention the high risk of burning the trans up in traffic jams, plowing, off road, or idling.




I suspect this also, however it's probably just an aged seal that needs to be changed. According to the temps posted, I bet it takes just getting warm, but if happens again, he'll know if it actually runs hot now. Well above his posted max 220F so far.
the only reason to not use OD is when you are are in situations where your truck will kick down into 3rd and reupshift
That constant shifting creates heat and wear, and if its happening, staying in 3rd is adviseable

but if you can go in 4th and not do that, then by all means
 
Reply
Old Apr 13, 2025 | 07:22 AM
  #21  
manicmechanic007's Avatar
manicmechanic007
Hotshot
5 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
Joined: Jul 2020
Posts: 10,331
Likes: 2,585
From: Near Salt Lake City
Club FTE Silver Member

Damn sure use both coolers
Last I heard, Fords strategy was to cut out OD if the vehicle overheats
I believe your 1990 E4OD has no FLT / TFT sensor so it's up to you to keep it OUT of overdrive when towing a heavy load
Get an actual mechanical coolant temperature gauge on it, is what I'd do, and watch it closely
Once you determine exactly how hot your engine is getting, you can make a decent decision on what to do, or whether you have an actual problem or not
Fords strategy is to keep the coolant and the trans fluid / engine oil all the same temp
If they can keep the engine oil the same temperature as the coolant, your engine will last longer
If they can keep your transmission fluid the same temperature as the coolant your trans will last longer
 
Reply
Old Apr 13, 2025 | 09:38 AM
  #22  
FORDF250HDXLT's Avatar
FORDF250HDXLT
Fleet Owner
15 Year Member
Community Builder
Liked
Community Favorite
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 20,345
Likes: 802
From: Mi'kma'ki
Gear hunting in the diesel (like the op has) engine isn't much of a concern. They tend to enter OD and hang out there, unless they need to downshift for hills. That's more a concern with the 302 engine than most others.
Cancelling OD wont make the trans run cooler than in OD. Either way, the converter will be locked and the pump is flowing large amounts of fluid when the converter locks (especially with the '95+ pumps). You'll never see a temp gauge drop (w/ sender @ test port) by canceling OD. You'll simply be burning more fuel, using a lower gear. There's been many myths about OD in the E4OD over the years for whatever reasons, but the fact is, it should be treated as just another gear. It's not more prone to heat than any other gear. The most prone gears to heat would be 1-3 in conditions (primarily, but not limited to; vehicle speed) where the converter isn't locked. One could argue, the best gear to run the coolest will be in OD; due to having a locked converter and vehicle speed that is sending large amount of airflow through the coolers. If you're not running 200F or below in OD, you need to ensure the trans lines are free flowing and or install a larger aux cooler.

On both of my work trucks w/ E4OD's, I have:
Temp gauges w/ sender @ test port.
1995 front pumps.
4r100 bypass w/ upgraded 3/8 lines.
Tru-cool Aux Cooler LPD47391 w/tru-cool thermal bypass.
(tugger shift kits and extra low stall converters, but these are not primary cooling upgrades.)

Outside of July and August where I may see 200-210 trans temps from time to time (with is great.) they run 180F (which is near perfect) once up to temp all other months, like 95% of the time, if not 99%. If I cancel OD, it's probably because I'm going down a steep grade.
 
Reply
Old Apr 13, 2025 | 01:30 PM
  #23  
AuroraGirl's Avatar
AuroraGirl
Lead Driver
Shutterbug
Community Builder
Liked
Loved
Joined: Jun 2021
Posts: 5,215
Likes: 803
Originally Posted by FORDF250HDXLT
Gear hunting in the diesel (like the op has) engine isn't much of a concern. They tend to enter OD and hang out there, unless they need to downshift for hills. That's more a concern with the 302 engine than most others.
Cancelling OD wont make the trans run cooler than in OD. Either way, the converter will be locked and the pump is flowing large amounts of fluid when the converter locks (especially with the '95+ pumps). You'll never see a temp gauge drop (w/ sender @ test port) by canceling OD. You'll simply be burning more fuel, using a lower gear. There's been many myths about OD in the E4OD over the years for whatever reasons, but the fact is, it should be treated as just another gear. It's not more prone to heat than any other gear. The most prone gears to heat would be 1-3 in conditions (primarily, but not limited to; vehicle speed) where the converter isn't locked. One could argue, the best gear to run the coolest will be in OD; due to having a locked converter and vehicle speed that is sending large amount of airflow through the coolers. If you're not running 200F or below in OD, you need to ensure the trans lines are free flowing and or install a larger aux cooler.

On both of my work trucks w/ E4OD's, I have:
Temp gauges w/ sender @ test port.
1995 front pumps.
4r100 bypass w/ upgraded 3/8 lines.
Tru-cool Aux Cooler LPD47391 w/tru-cool thermal bypass.
(tugger shift kits and extra low stall converters, but these are not primary cooling upgrades.)

Outside of July and August where I may see 200-210 trans temps from time to time (with is great.) they run 180F (which is near perfect) once up to temp all other months, like 95% of the time, if not 99%. If I cancel OD, it's probably because I'm going down a steep grade.
my trans puking from low load not towing just driving became from my restricted cooler line in a kink near the radiator on the lower line, larger diameter would have been good factory to mitigate this, but i also had restriction on the cooler but i was able to clear that, but the rusty fitting/line failed before it could release while i tried to work it ol, so I bypassed, but now it doesnt warm up. i have a cracked end tank anyway, so i eventually i will fix it right but id probably get the 4r100 bypass, put a new spring kit in it , and then get larger diameter and use the same time to properly plumb my aux cooler


here i cut it the first time as far high as possible , but then i couldnt get a flare tool on
plus a flare tool wouldnt play nice with this being partially folded
plus a flare tool wouldnt play nice with this being partially folded
I cut it a bit further so I could have a more round pipe and reach it from below AND get the flare so I could put a simple flare on , to encourage my hose repair to stay
I cut it a bit further so I could have a more round pipe and reach it from below AND get the flare so I could put a simple flare on , to encourage my hose repair to stay

The line uses is sunsong trans cooler line, which is fantastic very durable and stiff (less likely to kink, more abrasive protection) and two fuel injection clamps , opposed to each other

This hose combined with the clamps done this way, would have worked without a flare

But it gets quite cold here, and Id like to minimize my chances of it popping off in cold one day and losing my trans fluid quickly especially being sprayed near the fan lol. messy. Simple flare , it was. but in a situation where you have a short bit of pipe rusted out or pinched, you could safely bridge the pipe with this method and using 4 clamps between a section, youd very unlikely pop it off. just a cool trick might help someone. same situation as PS return lines
 
Reply
FTE Stories

Ford Trucks for Ford Truck Enthusiasts

story-0

Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

 Joe Kucinski
story-1

AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make

 Brett Foote
story-2

Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-3

Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

 Verdad Gallardo
story-4

10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

 Joe Kucinski
story-5

2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?

 Brett Foote
story-6

2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package First Look: 12 Things You NEED to Know!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-7

10 Most Surprising 2026 Ford Truck Features!

 Joe Kucinski
story-8

Top 10 Ford Trucks Coming to Mecum Indy 2026

 Brett Foote
story-9

5 Best / 5 Worst Ford Truck Wheels of All Time

 Joe Kucinski
Old Apr 13, 2025 | 09:22 PM
  #24  
manicmechanic007's Avatar
manicmechanic007
Hotshot
5 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
Joined: Jul 2020
Posts: 10,331
Likes: 2,585
From: Near Salt Lake City
Club FTE Silver Member

I wrote that up wrong
Mechanics error
It is converter lockup that is denied in an overheat situation, not 4th gear
That'll work AuroraGirl
 
Reply
Old Apr 14, 2025 | 09:19 AM
  #25  
1Butcher's Avatar
1Butcher
Cargo Master
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 2,786
Likes: 1,009
Liquid to liquid sheds more BTU's than liquid to air, by a very large margin.
 
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Encho
1987 - 1996 F150 & Larger F-Series Trucks
5
Oct 15, 2011 12:04 AM
maverick1701
1994.5 - 1997 7.3L Power Stroke Diesel
5
Dec 2, 2009 02:31 PM
Joey455
1999 - 2003 7.3L Power Stroke Diesel
12
Jul 28, 2007 09:14 AM
1just4don
1987 - 1996 F150 & Larger F-Series Trucks
3
Mar 11, 2007 11:16 AM
Bluesbandit
1999 - 2003 7.3L Power Stroke Diesel
3
Sep 18, 2004 10:58 PM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:20 AM.

story-0
Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

Slideshow: Top 10 Ford truck tragedies.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-18 19:34:33


VIEW MORE
story-1
AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make

And it might be even better than that.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-18 19:26:42


VIEW MORE
story-2
Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!

Slideshow: Does lowering an F-150 Lobo RUIN the ride quality?

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-18 19:20:37


VIEW MORE
story-3
Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

Slideshow: Ford's bizarre fishing-themed Explorer concept has resurfaced after spending decades largely forgotten.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:07:46


VIEW MORE
story-4
10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

Slideshow: The 10 best Ford truck engines we miss the most.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-12 13:09:47


VIEW MORE
story-5
2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?

Slideshow: first look at the 810 hp 2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road!

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-12 12:50:07


VIEW MORE
story-6
2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package First Look: 12 Things You NEED to Know!

Slideshow: Everything You Need to Know about the 2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-07 17:51:06


VIEW MORE
story-7
10 Most Surprising 2026 Ford Truck Features!

Slideshow: 10 most surprising Ford truck options/features in 2026.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-05 11:17:22


VIEW MORE
story-8
Top 10 Ford Trucks Coming to Mecum Indy 2026

Slideshow: Here are the top 10 Fords coming to Mecum Indy 2026.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-04 13:49:49


VIEW MORE
story-9
5 Best / 5 Worst Ford Truck Wheels of All Time

Slideshow: The 5 best and 5 worst Ford truck wheels of all time

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-29 16:49:01


VIEW MORE