So, is this a one time fine? Kind of like a cost of doing business (if you're rich)? In Upstate, NY, it's something like a $10,000 fine per tree that's removed from along a lake and people with million dollar homes who like lake views just do the deed and pay the fines.

 

Senate held hearings on the EPA overstepping the bounds of The Clean Air act in their enforcement of considering it illegal.

 

The hypocrisy of the EPA when it comes to military or government vehicles.
I would rather see the enforcement of muffler laws that each state has on the books. Noise pollution is far worse than someone deleting the wasteful emission equipment on their diesel truck.

 

Therefore the EPA went rogue...

 

To each their own on this topic but my two cents are that with the current 23+ it really isn't worth it. Going to the 9th injector removes the wear on the engine from the horrid old way of increasing the EGTs. The new DPF/SCR setup is pretty solid and makes it way less annoying to sit behind my vehicle in traffic. The power part is, for all arguments sake, a non-issue as these trucks have plenty of power and that power is not reduced to a noticeable extent like it was prior to 23 MY. Also, the EGR has been severely reduced in its usage, although, if I could get rid of the EGR completely and leave everything else I certainly would. EGRs on an oil burner is flat out moronic.

That said, my 17 PS F250 did go on the diet, I did it myself, it was easy and I did enjoy the higher HP tunes. However, I didn't notice any better mileage and the smell of the exhaust behind my truck was God-awful. When I got my 21, I didn't bother to put it on a diet and now with my 24, I wouldn't even consider it at this point. The only argument for doing such, in my opinion, might be a slightly longer life of the engine. But, I would submit that 98% of us don't keep a truck past 250,000 miles which these things can easily do whole. The only caveat to this is that with the absurd prices Ford, GM and Ram are trying to offer these things at, you might see people start to keep them longer.

 

I Second this. Regens are quick and don't impact fuel economy as much as prior years that took 30 miles to complete. It's just not worth it on the 23+ trucks.

One time and fix, or impound and destroy.
EGR delete $4819
DPF removed $4819
SCR removed $4819
DEF injector removed $4819
sensors removed $4819 EACH
programming changed $4819

Fines can go as high as $40,000 or more and you get one chance to return it all to stock, or it gets impounded and crushed.

Only takes one Karen to video you rolling coal to the EPA to lose it all. Even if you don't intend to roll coal, a hard acceleration can produce enough smoke to nail you with. Bragging that your state doesn't do checks will do you no good when Karen gets a whiff of your exhaust and waits for you to make that one mistake she can record.

 

Damn, I wonder how many of those have been divvied out.

 

That's me. I've bought a new truck every 3 years since 1991. But when they hit $100,000 to buy a replacement., I think I'm going to run my 2023 to 300,000 miles and really consider if I need a truck at that point. My kids my be taking my keys away if I still have a Drivers License then.

 

I am going to guess somewhere close to zero.

 

I do like that they added the 9th injector on the 23's+, however, it would be nice to get rid of the EGR on any of them, whether they have a 9th injector or not. Also, I'm not sure what you mean by "power is not reduced to a noticeable extent like it was prior to 23 MY". Years ago people deleted for more power, but that's been a long time now... the 6.7's hp & torque has been the same since 2020 (excluding the HO, which is only barely more) and even the 17-19's weren't that far behind. I figure the noticeable power reduction was a long time before the 23's rather than something that changed in 23.

 

Had to chuckle the other day when a guy said if it didn't come with an Ash Tray, I don't want it. We deal with decisions every year on purchases of vehicles, equipment and fuel quality that effect the farm. 2020 Freightliner. no way around it, has the urea tank, next big item will be the Combine. Hopefully we can get some clarifications for the future.

 

In my 16, 17 and 21, while in an active regeneration the power reduction was very noticeable to me. Injecting fuel on the exhaust stroke is just not a good idea in my opinion. Although the 9th injector method is not without its own faults, overall, this is the best method until, if they ever do, a fully electric DPF regenerator.

 

I am pretty similar to you in how often I have swapped pickups. However, with the 24 I have now, the sheer price and the gigantic dry fisting Ford has done to the Super Duty buyers by removing features, it will be a long time before I would even consider swapping.

 

A little more info, Federal Supremacy.
States like California and Pennsylvania ect who require emission testing lose Federal Funding for creating guidelines over the Federal laws. Your vehicle, your property, EPA is fourth branch of government which unconstitutionally fines owners since they are not an organization created by the Constitution.

Confusing Yes, wind of change by a new admiration. More work needed in my opinion.

 

I agree with you I would really like to get rid of the EGR because its very destructive to the engine,but with the 9th injector the rest of the emissions system is not an issue.