Conversion kit for the 6.7 standard?
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They went to steel pistons because making more power requires more fuel. More fuel means hotter combustion temps hence hotter EGTs. Aluminum pistons will melt before steel pistons. Anybody running a deleted pre MY20 6.7 with a 200 hp tune, which is a "race" tune and way more fuel, AND towing, are asking for a problem pulling a heavy load with that tune with aluminum pistons.
There'a a reason there's heavy tow tunes with a modest hp increase like 40 hp and light tow/DD tunes with maybe slightly more hp but still conservative hp numbers.
I just don't see how a hot shotter running a hot race tune will have an engine last many thousands of miles... just my 2 cents.
There'a a reason there's heavy tow tunes with a modest hp increase like 40 hp and light tow/DD tunes with maybe slightly more hp but still conservative hp numbers.
I just don't see how a hot shotter running a hot race tune will have an engine last many thousands of miles... just my 2 cents.
What he said. ^^ Wasn't knocking the tune, just curious how long it is expected to last running HO power on 2019 pistons. I have seen first hand what a hot tune can do to a piston. Are you monitoring EGT's? I don't know where they are located on the engine, but there really needs to be one right off the manifold to measure pre-turbo temps. Anything over 1400 can spell disaster to pistons.
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What he said. ^^ Wasn't knocking the tune, just curious how long it is expected to last running HO power on 2019 pistons. I have seen first hand what a hot tune can do to a piston. Are you monitoring EGT's? I don't know where they are located on the engine, but there really needs to be one right off the manifold to measure pre-turbo temps. Anything over 1400 can spell disaster to pistons.
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You’re pretty good at selective reading. You skimmed right over the part where I specifically stated that I tow with my truck, monitoring vitals, and nothing has changed or has gotten out of spec. Does anybody on this forum use their truck in the way that Ford tests for J2807 standard? I have a $10 bill that says no. So your comment is baseless.
Here’s what matters: my truck makes the same power as a 2024 HO truck, does so with zero issues from high temps or out of spec parameters, and at the end of the day I can’t say it’s different than it was before in standard output form. Which is a great data point of reference for the OP’s initial post, unlike your comment which added zero to this conversation.
Furthermore, who said my tuner sits in his PJs in front of TV writing code? My tunes came from a large, reputable diesel technologies business in the U.S. and are dyno tested and proven. And for the record, some of the diesel technologies companies are run by former OE powertrain engineers, which I have met personally. You're pretty quick to make assumptions. And you know what they say about ***-uming....
Here’s what matters: my truck makes the same power as a 2024 HO truck, does so with zero issues from high temps or out of spec parameters, and at the end of the day I can’t say it’s different than it was before in standard output form. Which is a great data point of reference for the OP’s initial post, unlike your comment which added zero to this conversation.
Furthermore, who said my tuner sits in his PJs in front of TV writing code? My tunes came from a large, reputable diesel technologies business in the U.S. and are dyno tested and proven. And for the record, some of the diesel technologies companies are run by former OE powertrain engineers, which I have met personally. You're pretty quick to make assumptions. And you know what they say about ***-uming....
Bottom line...Peak power in short burst is not the same power and performance compared to a factory tune and hardware that can support this power over a long durations.
And your tune is from a reputable diesel technologies business in the US developing AM tunes that are not on the road legal... Yeah... OK
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They went to steel pistons because making more power requires more fuel. More fuel means hotter combustion temps hence hotter EGTs. Aluminum pistons will melt before steel pistons. Anybody running a deleted pre MY20 6.7 with a 200 hp tune, which is a "race" tune and way more fuel, AND towing, are asking for a problem pulling a heavy load with that tune with aluminum pistons.
There'a a reason there's heavy tow tunes with a modest hp increase like 40 hp and light tow/DD tunes with maybe slightly more hp but still conservative hp numbers.
I just don't see how a hot shotter running a hot race tune will have an engine last many thousands of miles... just my 2 cents.
There'a a reason there's heavy tow tunes with a modest hp increase like 40 hp and light tow/DD tunes with maybe slightly more hp but still conservative hp numbers.
I just don't see how a hot shotter running a hot race tune will have an engine last many thousands of miles... just my 2 cents.
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Pedal monsters wake these trucks up with the boring factory drive by wire torque management throttle response for sure.
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You can accomplish the same thing that a PM does by pushing on the stock accelerator pedal harder and faster.
There are absolutely zero power gains.
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Don't go there.
We know EXACTLY WHAT THE PM DOES! It is not a power adder only an idiot would think that. I will put my PM up against your stock 6.7 and kick your butt off the line. Just ask the guy from this morning with the F150 5.0 who I left sitting. Oh He tried, but he was too far back to matter.
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Don't go there.
We know EXACTLY WHAT THE PM DOES! It is not a power adder only an idiot would think that. I will put my PM up against your stock 6.7 and kick your butt off the line. Just ask the guy from this morning with the F150 5.0 who I left sitting. Oh He tried, but he was too far back to matter.
We know EXACTLY WHAT THE PM DOES! It is not a power adder only an idiot would think that. I will put my PM up against your stock 6.7 and kick your butt off the line. Just ask the guy from this morning with the F150 5.0 who I left sitting. Oh He tried, but he was too far back to matter.
You left a 5.0 sitting? Awesome!
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Who said it added power? That’s what the Derringer tuner does. But to be honest, since you yourself have not experienced the before and after with a PM,.your opinion is moot.
Everyone here has experienced the "dead pedal" feeling of the factory throttle response, and those of us who wanted better, bought PMs. Just saying.