Conversion kit for the 6.7 standard?
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Here is what Banks says about the PM and the Derringer.
Whether or not you should remove your PedalMonster depends on your relationship with your dealership and/or service writer. It’s helpful to know if they’re aftermarket accessory friendly. When in doubt, remove the PedalMonster module.
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Had my '19 tuned to the same level as the '24 HO purposefully. Figured that would be a good output level to stay at. It feels ever so slightly stronger but really there isn't much difference in performance at all in daily life. Still tows exactly the same, using the same gears, and returns almost the exact same MPG. Temps while towing also stay the same.
If I was buying a new truck I would not spend the extra $2k for the HO motor. Not worth it.
Also, the main complaint of the 10R transmissions across the entire Ford portfolio for years now has been that they shift more often. Shifting builds heat. Shifting is also annoying. I'm glad I have the 6R which finds a gear and stays there.
If I was buying a new truck I would not spend the extra $2k for the HO motor. Not worth it.
Also, the main complaint of the 10R transmissions across the entire Ford portfolio for years now has been that they shift more often. Shifting builds heat. Shifting is also annoying. I'm glad I have the 6R which finds a gear and stays there.
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Had my '19 tuned to the same level as the '24 HO purposefully. Figured that would be a good output level to stay at. It feels ever so slightly stronger but really there isn't much difference in performance at all in daily life. Still tows exactly the same, using the same gears, and returns almost the exact same MPG. Temps while towing also stay the same.
If I was buying a new truck I would not spend the extra $2k for the HO motor. Not worth it.
Also, the main complaint of the 10R transmissions across the entire Ford portfolio for years now has been that they shift more often. Shifting builds heat. Shifting is also annoying. I'm glad I have the 6R which finds a gear and stays there.
If I was buying a new truck I would not spend the extra $2k for the HO motor. Not worth it.
Also, the main complaint of the 10R transmissions across the entire Ford portfolio for years now has been that they shift more often. Shifting builds heat. Shifting is also annoying. I'm glad I have the 6R which finds a gear and stays there.
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Pretty sure your tuner didn't test the towing performance using the SAE J2807 tow test standards and SAE methods to verify HP/Torque that's meaningful. Having said that, I wouldn't trust some tuner that writes code in his bedroom vs Ford Motor Co so your method to disqualify the HO option is baseless.
Here’s what matters: my truck makes the same power as a 2024 HO truck, does so with zero issues from high temps or out of spec parameters, and at the end of the day I can’t say it’s different than it was before in standard output form. Which is a great data point of reference for the OP’s initial post, unlike your comment which added zero to this conversation.
Furthermore, who said my tuner sits in his PJs in front of TV writing code? My tunes came from a large, reputable diesel technologies business in the U.S. and are dyno tested and proven. And for the record, some of the diesel technologies companies are run by former OE powertrain engineers, which I have met personally. You're pretty quick to make assumptions. And you know what they say about ***-uming....
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LOL The HO is a marketing gimmick to make Ford more money! Truly, the only ones that actually benefit from the HO are Hotshotters. Those who trailer heavy loads up and down grades and such. That extra torque and HP isn't noticed in normal driving, only when called for with loads. The extra cooling is for just such a demand, not needed for DD or occasional towing.
Want to wake up an SO? Put a Pedal Monster on it. A LOT cheaper than HO.
Want to wake up an SO? Put a Pedal Monster on it. A LOT cheaper than HO.
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Why do you say that? you have the specs on the SO engine? Both are still options for 2025. Nothing in the build sheet shows them getting rid of the SO. B&P shows both available.
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I have read a couple different places now that the ‘25 SO will be the same as the ‘23/‘24 HO and the ‘25 HO will be the about 50HP+ and another 100 or so in lb-ft of torque.
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So a bump in power to BOTH engines, not replacing one for the other as it sounded like what others were saying. Truly though, this engine puts out so much power, you wont really notice the bump. The passing power from 50 MPH in such a huge truck is mind blowing. The damned thing is doing 80 before I even reach the front door of whoever I am passing and I barely have my foot in it. I constantly trip the traction control from a stop too, which is very annoying, I should turn the PM down a bit.
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Ford took an engine that was going hundreds of thousands of miles reliably for most users and did a "major design change" so they could make 25 more horsepower for 2020?
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Were the stock 17-19 pistons a problem before 2020? There are guys all over the U.S. running 150-200 horsepower tunes on those engines with no failures. Some of them hotshot their trucks to high mileage.
Ford took an engine that was going hundreds of thousands of miles reliably for most users and did a "major design change" so they could make 25 more horsepower for 2020?
Ford took an engine that was going hundreds of thousands of miles reliably for most users and did a "major design change" so they could make 25 more horsepower for 2020?
There'a a reason there's heavy tow tunes with a modest hp increase like 40 hp and light tow/DD tunes with maybe slightly more hp but still conservative hp numbers.
I just don't see how a hot shotter running a hot race tune will have an engine last many thousands of miles... just my 2 cents.
