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Originally posted by couleeman
Just a thought, if you are out in public and doing what you are suppose to be doing and have nothing to hide, who cares. Let the guy take a picture of me filling my truck up with gas, it will keep the local camera shop in business developing film. Let them monitor my speed, it will give somebody a job and get another person off welfare. Let the police can sit outside my driveway all day long, maybe it will slow down half the people driving down my street.
Mind you, the GPS unit would be handy so I could find my wife half the time.
Like Sinjin just posted, just pull the shades if you want some privacy.
Just a thought, if you are out in public and doing what you are suppose to be doing and have nothing to hide, who cares. Let the guy take a picture of me filling my truck up with gas, it will keep the local camera shop in business developing film. Let them monitor my speed, it will give somebody a job and get another person off welfare. Let the police can sit outside my driveway all day long, maybe it will slow down half the people driving down my street.
Mind you, the GPS unit would be handy so I could find my wife half the time.
Like Sinjin just posted, just pull the shades if you want some privacy.
Also, with modern listening devices and photo equipment, if the police or whoever is outside on your driveway or street, pulling the blinds it going to get the job done.
You guys would fit right in in Red China!
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When you're in public nobody has to respect your "right" to keep a low profile. You may wish they had to, but they don't.
And it appears by your post that you're an advocate of - ignorace is an excuse for breaking the law...is that right?
And it appears by your post that you're an advocate of - ignorace is an excuse for breaking the law...is that right?
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Originally posted by McCrusty
When you're in public nobody has to respect your "right" to keep a low profile. You may wish they had to, but they don't.
And it appears by your post that you're an advocate of - ignorace is an excuse for breaking the law...is that right?
When you're in public nobody has to respect your "right" to keep a low profile. You may wish they had to, but they don't.
And it appears by your post that you're an advocate of - ignorace is an excuse for breaking the law...is that right?
I assure, I have to pass background checks for my job. I'm squeaky clean and plan on keeping it that way.
I just don't think everyone needs to live in a fish bowl. That's all I'm saying.
A bit of somewhat unrelated triva: J. Edgar used to keep files on everyone he could think of and then a few. It is rumored that he had stuff on every major public official he dealt with include presidents and used it to pressure them.
Edit: I'm not saying that cameras at red lights are in and of themselves a bad thing. In fact, I think they are good. I'm just concerned the people are getting accustomed to giving up freedoms without even hinking about it to "feel" safe. Technology can facilitate that in a quick, sneaky, incidious way.
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It's a slippery slope, gradually taking till you don't realize you have nothing left. What seems common and is accepted today would have shocked people only 30-50 years ago, it's the stuff of science fiction.
The worst part is, the majority seems to not only be oblivious to it, but actually in favour of it.
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The worst part is, the majority seems to not only be oblivious to it, but actually in favour of it.
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Originally posted by rlh
Also, with modern listening devices and photo equipment, if the police or whoever is outside on your driveway or street, pulling the blinds it going to get the job done.
You guys would fit right in in Red China!
Also, with modern listening devices and photo equipment, if the police or whoever is outside on your driveway or street, pulling the blinds it going to get the job done.
You guys would fit right in in Red China!
No one is advocating what you suggest even though it of course is possible. I hope you are just exaggerating for effect.
I doubt many of us could "fit right in" in China and your insinuation that you are more "freedom loving" I find insulting.
Any private investigator can follow you around and snap pictures or whatever and has always been able to. What's the difference if that was the police or business owner? You're photographed every time you shop in the mall.
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sinjin,
Just because it isn't illegal and it's going on everyday doesn't make it right.
Like I said, we're going over a cliff IMHO, we're just taking nice small steps so as to not alarm the sheep.
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Just because it isn't illegal and it's going on everyday doesn't make it right.
Like I said, we're going over a cliff IMHO, we're just taking nice small steps so as to not alarm the sheep.
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Actually, SinJin, I don't hang out in the Malls that much. Plus, they are private property. Second, due to my job which I'm not going to discuss on here for obvious reasons, if a PI followed me around too much he would be in the clink.
Plus, certain things on the photos/videos may be considered industrial espionage, intelectual theft etc.
As far as reasonable search and seizure, I'm not sure anyone can agree on that at the moment. There's not a damn thing in the constitution that say you leave your rights in your house.
Plus, certain things on the photos/videos may be considered industrial espionage, intelectual theft etc.
As far as reasonable search and seizure, I'm not sure anyone can agree on that at the moment. There's not a damn thing in the constitution that say you leave your rights in your house.
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Privacy on private property and publicity on public property. Think celebs like having photographer up their unowhat all the time?
Calling other people sheep might make you feel like a freethinker but I think it some sort of conspiracy delusion.
Calling other people sheep might make you feel like a freethinker but I think it some sort of conspiracy delusion.
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I still get the impression that people simply don't understand that when you are in a public place you are fair game. It always been that way, it's nothing new and nothing shocking.
"Plus, certain things on the photos/videos may be considered industrial espionage, intelectual theft etc."
Like what? We're talking the things that are in the public arena here.
"Plus, certain things on the photos/videos may be considered industrial espionage, intelectual theft etc."
Like what? We're talking the things that are in the public arena here.
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Mcrusty said: Like what? We're talking the things that are in the public arena here.
All places outside of one's own home aren't public and I guess you guys didn't read my additional comments about cameras at red lights above.
And when I out developing something for scientific purposes that will led to a patent and someone takes a picture of it without permission, its stealing. That was in reference to the PI comment above.
I don't think everything is a conspiracy. They do exist but more often than not they have to do with someone trying to make some money etc.
Lets put his another way. I think there should be a reason to investigate someone rather than looking for a reason to investigate them.
Apparently, there is different perception of what public property and public places are.
All places outside of one's own home aren't public and I guess you guys didn't read my additional comments about cameras at red lights above.
And when I out developing something for scientific purposes that will led to a patent and someone takes a picture of it without permission, its stealing. That was in reference to the PI comment above.
I don't think everything is a conspiracy. They do exist but more often than not they have to do with someone trying to make some money etc.
Lets put his another way. I think there should be a reason to investigate someone rather than looking for a reason to investigate them.
Apparently, there is different perception of what public property and public places are.
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Originally posted by sinjin
He could tell you but then, well you know.
He could tell you but then, well you know.
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Originally posted by sinjin
Calling other people sheep might make you feel like a freethinker but I think it some sort of conspiracy delusion.
Calling other people sheep might make you feel like a freethinker but I think it some sort of conspiracy delusion.
Once they got past the pure disbelief that would likely rival me being told that Star Wars was a historical documentary or The Matrix is real, I know how mine would answer.
Whether there's a conspiracy or not, the fact is, the info is out there should one choose to use it for the wrong reasons.
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Originally posted by rlh
And when I out developing something for scientific purposes that will led to a patent and someone takes a picture of it without permission, its stealing.
And when I out developing something for scientific purposes that will led to a patent and someone takes a picture of it without permission, its stealing.
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Originally posted by McCrusty
What? I'm imagining you driving around with your invention on a trailer taking it to your lab (just as an example). If your driving down a public road and I see your invention on that trailer and say "Wow, that's cool." and then I snap a photo...that's stealing? Wrong!
What? I'm imagining you driving around with your invention on a trailer taking it to your lab (just as an example). If your driving down a public road and I see your invention on that trailer and say "Wow, that's cool." and then I snap a photo...that's stealing? Wrong!