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Who's Watching Who
This post has started some thinking on a few of you. Good. And most of you are right, these cameras are not for our personal welfare. Not to long ago, they installed one at an intersection in my neighborhood. HMMMMMM. I guess they like to see who's comming over for dinner. I have seen on Laskin Road, Virginia Beach, VA, at an intersection, seven cameras. Two of which are pointing at the entrance and exit of a church. The tunnels and bridges are being outfitted with sensors to track a pay for travel pass, rather than have a phone booth. Time to start traveling with a James Bond revolving license plate. The question is and always will be, who has access to them?
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You can bet that the feds have access to whatever they want that has federal funds attached to it. Block your license plates out, wear a ski mask and see how long it takes a patrol car to find you would be an interesting test.
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I don't know if many of you are just paranoid or given to conspiracy theories but it takes a rather exaggerated sense of self importance to think "they" give a crap about your movements.
Cameras at intersections are put there because there has been way too many accidents, that's all. I think it safe to assume that those put in other public places are being put there because there's been way too many crimes perpetrated against law abiding citizens in the camera's field of view.
BTW most of these systems are unmanned most of the time and the tape is only reviewed as part of an investigation after the fact.
The tape is regularly erased as a general rule.
Cameras at intersections are put there because there has been way too many accidents, that's all. I think it safe to assume that those put in other public places are being put there because there's been way too many crimes perpetrated against law abiding citizens in the camera's field of view.
BTW most of these systems are unmanned most of the time and the tape is only reviewed as part of an investigation after the fact.
The tape is regularly erased as a general rule.
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Originally posted by sinjin
BTW most of these systems are unmanned most of the time and the tape is only reviewed as part of an investigation after the fact. The tape is regularly erased as a general rule.
BTW most of these systems are unmanned most of the time and the tape is only reviewed as part of an investigation after the fact. The tape is regularly erased as a general rule.
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George,
You may be right and I appreciate your point as well but as long as due process is maintained I personally don't worry that my picture is available to law enforcement. They already have it both front and profile.
You may be right and I appreciate your point as well but as long as due process is maintained I personally don't worry that my picture is available to law enforcement. They already have it both front and profile.
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From: Florida Hill Country
Originally posted by georgedavila
sinjin, I greatly respect your opinions on most matters, but in this instance a migration to centralized digital storage is inevitable to lower operating costs. Only a government without the desire to control it’s citizens would pass on the opportunity to eventually utilize a national image database composed of identified licensing and randomly gathered images for purposes of law enforcement, including federal and local tax compliance. As you say, those who are squeaky clean have nothing to fear, but I find it sad to watch the evolution of the US into a nation of robots essentially working for one government entity of another with an underground community constantly dogged for non-conformity.
sinjin, I greatly respect your opinions on most matters, but in this instance a migration to centralized digital storage is inevitable to lower operating costs. Only a government without the desire to control it’s citizens would pass on the opportunity to eventually utilize a national image database composed of identified licensing and randomly gathered images for purposes of law enforcement, including federal and local tax compliance. As you say, those who are squeaky clean have nothing to fear, but I find it sad to watch the evolution of the US into a nation of robots essentially working for one government entity of another with an underground community constantly dogged for non-conformity.
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From: N. Florida - The "No 4x4
!! BINGO, George !!
P.S. There is a NATIONAL push on to do away with overwritten recoding media. There exists software that can "watch" the thousands of hours of recorded media in a matter of minutes and pick out "faces of interest".
. . . all the Fed's have to do is get access to the recorded media and turn the *existing* software loose and they can track any one any where for any reason at any time.
But WAIT. They are doing that already!! They have devised a "grant program" to help municipalities install traffic cameras. . . . Huummmm, nothing to make someone suspicious of their motives in that . . . right?
P.S. There is a NATIONAL push on to do away with overwritten recoding media. There exists software that can "watch" the thousands of hours of recorded media in a matter of minutes and pick out "faces of interest".
. . . all the Fed's have to do is get access to the recorded media and turn the *existing* software loose and they can track any one any where for any reason at any time.
But WAIT. They are doing that already!! They have devised a "grant program" to help municipalities install traffic cameras. . . . Huummmm, nothing to make someone suspicious of their motives in that . . . right?
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Of course not. Our politicians are always telling us how they enjoy taking good care of us. Of course I do admit to being a tad cynical. When I hear the crys 'For the Good of the People' or 'For the Good of the Country' I've developed this overwhelming reflex to grab my wallet and hold it very tightly...
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From: Baileyton, TN
Originally posted by Mikeman
Theo,
The thing that I want to know is how did the insurance company know which cities you were in so that they could get the pictures? Did they access a credit card database or something else?
Theo,
The thing that I want to know is how did the insurance company know which cities you were in so that they could get the pictures? Did they access a credit card database or something else?
Theo
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From: Florida Hill Country
Originally posted by theologian
I do not know how they knew. I can only imagine that there is a database out there, somewhere, that catalogs vehicle, by license plates, and all they need to do is put in the number, and out will spew all the details. I intend to find out how, but can't access the correct people until next March.
Theo
I do not know how they knew. I can only imagine that there is a database out there, somewhere, that catalogs vehicle, by license plates, and all they need to do is put in the number, and out will spew all the details. I intend to find out how, but can't access the correct people until next March.
Theo
In CA that Data Base is called DMV. They freely give info to insurance companies including where you normally park your campers, boats etc. So all the need is a plate #
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Originally posted by theologian
I intend to find out how, but can't access the correct people until next March.
Theo
I intend to find out how, but can't access the correct people until next March.
Theo
Something tells me you have access to the "correct people" for a lot of different things.
In CA that Data Base is called DMV.
rlh,
When I lived there, all you needed was a license plate # and about $10 and the DMV would give the information to anyone. I remember a big stink because stalkers and other miscreants were getting the home addresses of their next victims. Has this changed at all?
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Originally posted by Mikeman
Something tells me you have access to the "correct people" for a lot of different things.
In CA that Data Base is called DMV.
rlh,
When I lived there, all you needed was a license plate # and about $10 and the DMV would give the information to anyone. I remember a big stink because stalkers and other miscreants were getting the home addresses of their next victims. Has this changed at all?
Something tells me you have access to the "correct people" for a lot of different things.
In CA that Data Base is called DMV.
rlh,
When I lived there, all you needed was a license plate # and about $10 and the DMV would give the information to anyone. I remember a big stink because stalkers and other miscreants were getting the home addresses of their next victims. Has this changed at all?